Originally posted by carver9
Yes they have control. Anyone that knows anything about DBZ know they have control. Goku even tells us that the Z fighters have control of their ki when Trunks shoots a blast at Goten. I think it'll be better for you to read the manga.Lol, the Z fighters were scared of Goku attack because of the power it had, not because they couldn't control their abilities.
But uh power would be irrelevant if they have complete control like you say.
So with complete control Goku should be putting planet busting explosions into tiny grenade sized blasts. The power of the blast should of been utterly irrelevant since Goku could of just controlled that b*tch and had it not kill or destroy anyone or anything he didn't want it to.
But the problem is you pull the BS of "Dr. Lights blast didn't even destroy the room!" but with DBZ it's "oh nope, complete control" which doesn't apply to Dr. Light even though in comics characters routinely use their powers without the proper side effects. Superman can't be taken out by a nuke, but here you are bringing up Dr. Light blasts and implying it means something because the room wasn't destroyed. So Dr. Light magically somehow was able to hurt Superman without putting out the level of devastation you'd see from a nuke.
How do you feel he accomplished it? Unless you feel the "Superman isn't hurt by a nuke" thing was just way out of his normal capability, like a Spider-Man vs Firelord type feat, do we need Superman vs a nuke now? But then see the kicker is you couldn't think Supes shouldn't be able to tank a nuke because if you did you'd never be saying the character defeats some of the characters I've seen you say Superman defeats.
Originally posted by SurturThe last 2 movies are canon tho. And Toriyama just plain forgets what he writes lol. Vegeta struggling with 100g in Super is so bad. SMH
To be fair, for me there are 4 different versions of DBZ:-The Manga
-The universe Dragonball and DBZ take place in
-Dragonball GT universe
-Dragonball movie universeYes, I realize in the movies and in GT they are technically supposed to be the same characters, but there is a lot of inconsistency with power levels in GT, where it really seemed like they took a step backwards instead of forward.
The movies likewise just flat out contradict various stuff from the anime, and the characters show powers in the movies they have never ever shown in the anime. Or they just add in random weaknesses(Namekians can't stand whistling!). The *only* movie I would consider even a possibility for being included in the normal DB/DBZ anime-verse is the Bardock movie.
Just like Pre Crisis Darkseid is technically the same as post crisis Darkseid, but people separate them because of the vast gap in power levels.
Of course some feel different and lump together all the feats from the anime and movies. But doing that you just end up with one huge clusterf*ck.
Originally posted by Zack Fair
The last 2 movies are canon tho. And Toriyama just plain forgets what he writes lol. Vegeta struggling with 100g in Super is so bad. SMH
I really hate what Akira sometimes with his inconsistency. But you have to remember he is the writer of Dr Slump. He doesn't give a **** about consistency.
Originally posted by Zack Fair
which makes 1 wonder whats the deal with them. Why is whis his lapdog?
He's more like a caretaker. Getting him up, keeping him on track, dealing with his rampages, and putting him back to sleep even if he has to KO him to do it..
Plus there's the fact he's bringing Goku and Vegeta to their world and training them without Bills permission, or even informing him about it.
Come to think of it, Bills complained about Whis making "him" restore the Earth, but I don't believe he talked with him at all about it. Just upped and decided to act, and Bills didn't raise an objection or say a word until after it was done.
Also Whis has time manipulation powers on at least a planetary scale. He could literally reverse time over and over to figure out Superman's moves if he feels like it.
As well as matter manipulation which I'm pretty sure Clark has no real defense against.
And Whis stated he can move faster than Vegeta and Goku'Goku's synapses could respond to. Considering how often Clark gets tagged by people far slower he might not even be able to register Whis.
Superman ran from a planet explosion and got koed by the aftershock of said attack while debris sliced his back up. Whis stands in the heart of planets exploding without flinching. Superman so said on panel that he can NOT destroy a planet while Whis operates at Universal levels. This is a non fight. Superman needs to stick to fighting Doomsday and Mongul. Whis one shot ko beings that kick planets to dust and almost destroy Universes/dimensions.
Originally posted by SquallX
Superman at his best under Morrison took on a being from a a higher dimension, that the mere thought of him makes him bigger and more powerful.Kal also took on a 5D imp that was attacking him from the 5th Dimension in all time lines at the same times, while weakened from Kryptonite poisoning.
Relook at the 5 December fight again.