But see, people need to grow the hell up though. Symbols change, words change. Black people know this especially given they have turned racist words into words that show respect, etc.
So if we want to move forward we need to cut that shit out all together. I would think people would have to agree that HAS to happen for there to ever be racial equality. One person see's a certain symbol as racist, another person doesn't, and neither is completely right or wrong.
The sentiment here is all admirable, but I am afraid it is still culturally blind- and spoken from the position of privilege. It's going to take a lot more than that. It will involve appreciating the cultural feelings of the oppressed, and that will involve some sacrifices. Else there is no mutual understanding- and what TI ia asking for is effectively asking for mind control.
'Neither is completely right or wrong'- I am afraid believing this this is part of the problem. If you don't appreciate the cultural insensitivity of a symbol, it is you who are wrong. Without realising that, progress is impeded.
Originally posted by Surtur
But see, people need to grow the hell up though. Symbols change, words change. Black people know this especially given they have turned racist words into words that show respect, etc.So if we want to move forward we need to cut that shit out all together. I would think people would have to agree that HAS to happen for there to ever be racial equality. One person see's a certain symbol as racist, another person doesn't, and neither is completely right or wrong.
You are focussing on the wrong thing. You want to eliminate racial double standards that are in place to protect the oppressed minority from the majority. If we were at a point where these double standards aren't needed we could talk about it, Ush alluded to this earlier, the question of the transition when we got to a point where oppressed and marginalized groups are treated equally is something that can be discussed then.
Right now there is the much bigger, much more prevalent problem, of conscious white supremacy still being a common enough thing, and more importanly unconscious racial biases against blacks being a significant problem against the advancement of black people.
Or to put it in an analogy, it's as if you are trying to solve over-population of Mars right now, while disregarding issues on Earth.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
The sentiment here is all admirable, but I am afraid it is still culturally blind- and spoken from the position of privilege. It's going to take a lot more than that. It will involve appreciating the cultural feelings of the oppressed, and that will involve some sacrifices. Else there is no mutual understanding- and what TI ia asking for is effectively asking for mind control.'Neither is completely right or wrong'- I am afraid believing this this is part of the problem. If you don't appreciate the cultural insensitivity of a symbol, it is you who are wrong. Without realising that, progress is impeded.
No we are the victims of mind control..
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Ferguson-Missouri-paid-protesters/2015/05/25/id/646587/
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I get it. Now hear me outI am hoping this new age, of all races, especially black and white can forget the past and move on. It could be done, I truly believe that. But I think racial agitators like George Soros and other evil masterminds pit us against each other.
Also lets not forget!!!!!!!!
It was the elite back then who owned slaves. So we could look back into the Rockafeller, JP Morgon, Bush's ancestors and find their family in fact owned slaves. So while the media and the elite pit the common people agains teach other over race, it was them asshats who actually owned slaves.
I am third generation greek, I still have relatives in Greece, I know we didn't own any black slaves. And I am sure that is how it is for many common people. Slave ownership is what made the family's rich, and many are still wealthy off it!
Look at Ben Affleck, his grandfather made the family wealth off slave ownership. Why is no one attacking him here or in the media for long!
Cheers
No one has a comment on this, which is all facts btw.
Originally posted by Robtard
What's to comment on? Yes, some people's ancestors were slave owners. Do we shit on them for something that happened long before they were born?
People here like Bash were shitting on Thomas Jefferson..someone who's long been dead. Why are we not shitting on Ben Affleck, or the Bush's. We should be pointing fingers at the elite, then at each other! They caused this whole mess! It wasn't us, it was them. We arn't the elite, if we were, we would't be here discussing and arguing over these issues and finding ways of discord.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
People here like Bash were shitting on Thomas Jefferson..someone who's long been dead. Why are we not shitting on Ben Affleck, or the Bush's. We should be pointing fingers at the elite, then at each other! They caused this whole mess! It wasn't us, it was them. We arn't the elite, if we were, we would't be here discussing and arguing over these issues and finding ways of discord.
The difference between Thomas Jefferson and Ben Affleck is that Jefferson owned slaved, Ben Affleck hasn't and afaik, he doesn't condone the actions of his ancestors in owning slaves.
Originally posted by Bardock42
To be fair Thomas Jefferson owned slaves (while calling it the greatest evil), while Ben Affleck and George Bush (either) didn't.....that is a big difference....
The sins of the father...
Why are common people guilty of slavery when it was the rulers and dynasties before us that started it!
Originally posted by Robtard
Probably because he's embarrassed about having a great grandfather that owned slaves.
Hiding the past is a admission of truth.
His family wealth is the reason he was able to take the leap into hollywood and pursue his dream. Without his trust fund, he probably would have been another failed actor, But he had money and money in Hollywood goes along way. Had he not had this money he probably would not have taken the gamble on Hollywood. Which 100,000's of people come to every year to try and find fame and fail miserably. Even though he is not directly responsible, he did try and omit it, and went to great lengths to ask the producers to hid this fact.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I get it. Now hear me outI am hoping this new age, of all races, especially black and white can forget the past and move on. It could be done, I truly believe that. But I think racial agitators like George Soros and other evil masterminds pit us against each other.
Also lets not forget!!!!!!!!
It was the elite back then who owned slaves. So we could look back into the Rockafeller, JP Morgon, Bush's ancestors and find their family in fact owned slaves. So while the media and the elite pit the common people agains teach other over race, it was them asshats who actually owned slaves.
I am third generation greek, I still have relatives in Greece, I know we didn't own any black slaves. And I am sure that is how it is for many common people. Slave ownership is what made the family's rich, and many are still wealthy off it!
Look at Ben Affleck, his grandfather made the family wealth off slave ownership. Why is no one attacking him here or in the media for long!
Cheers
And my ancestors fought on the side of the north. Some died to fight for black freedom. None of my family have ever owned slaves. In fact, very few Americans have ancestors who did own slaves.
Ben Afleck is ashamed of and condemned his ancestors, however.
So, yeah, if I found out my family and it's wealth (ha! my family is not wealthy) came from being slave owners, I'd definitely try to use some of that wealth to better that black communities. There are more ways to take care of the black community than just throwing money at them.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Hiding the past is a admission of truth.His family wealth is the reason he was able to take the leap into hollywood and pursue his dream. Without his trust fund, he probably would have been another failed actor, But he had money and money in Hollywood goes along way. Had he not had this money he probably would not have taken the gamble on Hollywood. Which 100,000's of people come to every year to try and find fame and fail miserably. Even though he is not directly responsible, he did try and omit it, and went to great lengths to ask the producers to hid this fact.
What?
Again, he had nothing to do with his ancestors owning slaves, he was born long after.