Race baiting media at it again...

The term "Slavery" used in this context doesn't refer only to the ownership of Africans, it's also a catch all for the subsequent segregation/Jim Crow laws put in place by this country up until the 1960s. Some people (myself not included as I try to deal with each person as an individual, not the sum of their descendants transgressions as, for example, I wouldn't expect the actions of the Moors, Cushites, Kemites, or Zulus held against me) hold all White people accountable due to the current day power structure being in place via the subjugation of non-whites here in America. While historically there have always been impoverished whites in America they were still treated with the benefit of citizenship and humanity before My People, even accounting for the horrible treatment of the Irish, Italians, and other groups here in America. We had been the actual bottom of the metaphorical totem pole here for centuries.

By contrast, though, you also have to take into account that many of the people who hold this position also don't have the benefit of historical perspective and either disregard or are ignorant of the treatment of European "minorities" in this county, or the actions of European and American Abolitionists (like William Wilberforce, for example).

Basically, pun not intended, history isn't as black and white as contemporary schools of thought would have you believe.

So you have no opinion on racial agitators, or the fact that the elite caused this problem but now its the common people fighting against each other over it while they use this conflict to get votes on their end?

Originally posted by MF DELPH

Basically, pun not intended, but history isn't as black and white as contemporary schools of thought would have you believe.

.........Yes it is BLACK and WHITE!

"Grey" is just peoples way of trying to make their "BLACK" seen not so.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So you have no opinion on racial agitators, or the fact that the elite caused this problem but now its the common people fighting against each other over it while they use this conflict to get votes on their end?

Are you addressing me?

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Are you addressing me?

No I was talking to Rob but you got it before me, but feel free to respond.

Basically, Racism is still a big problem in this country, but there are cases of "Crying Wolf" which muddy the waters and causes division among people with actual common interests. Police brutality, for example, cuts across all ethnic lines, but it's being framed as a White Cop/Black Victim situation which is counterproductive IMO. We need to get past our cosmetic difference and deal with our real issues, which are poverty, education, and industry. All Americans should have access to employment to provide for their families, and all Americans should be treated fairly and equally in all facets of American life. Period.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
No but he tried to cover it up!

TV Show: Hey Ben Affleck! We want to do a television series based on your ancestry! Are you down?

Ben Affleck: Oh? Um...

TV Show: Great! One of your ancestors were slaveowners!

Ben Affleck: I'd really prefer that wasn't a thing you televised

TV Show: RACIST

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Basically, Racism is still a big problem in this country, but there are cases of "Crying Wolf" which muddy the waters and causes division among people with actual common interests. Police brutality, for example, cuts across all ethnic lines, but it's being framed as a White Cop/Black Victim situation which is counterproductive IMO. We need to get past our cosmetic difference and deal with our real issues, which are poverty, education, and industry. All Americans should have access to employment to provide for their families, and all Americans should be treated fairly and equally in all facets of American life. Period.

Police are an extension of government, which ancestors stims from slavery and racism. Do you agree?

Racism and racial preconceptions/bigotry simply add another layer of division here in the U.S. For example, I'm a 35 year old college educated black man with no criminal record, a good paying desk job w/401k, and a credit score in the upper 700s. When I walk down the street in my Jordans, Ecko Polos, and baggy black jeans, my individual character isn't what most people see. More times than not I'd be viewed through the lens of negative preconceptions and stereotypes associated with my appearance versus the content of my individual character. A wise man once gave a speech regarding a dream that one day the latter would replace the former, and we're simply not there yet as a nation.

Our Police forces and Government consists of U.S. Citizens, most of which have been born this side of 1950 and have never owned or been slaves, but have lived through segregation and racial division. This all stems from us collectively. We simply need to get better, as individuals and as one nation. This is all a process.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Do you think the same thing when you see a tattoo like this?

Also how do you know for sure he was racist, it didn't say white power. It said white, so until the person can be affilated with some group or ideology, this is all speculation is it not? If a black person had a tattoo saying "black" or "thug life", would he be an ******* too? Because we know its cool to be black and rep that status, however the same does not go for white's.

Fair enough?

I only tend to see tattoos like that when I'm ****ing jail birches up the arse. Emotions are mixed then really.

One thing:

"Thug Life" tatted on you likely means you're a huge 2Pac fan and has nothing to do with race. There's people of all ethnicities with Thug Life tatts. A quick Google search would show that. Hell, there's a Spanish porn star named Jenny Hard that has "Hard Life" tattooed on her chest above her ****.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So you have no opinion on racial agitators, or the fact that the elite caused this problem but now its the common people fighting against each other over it while they use this conflict to get votes on their end?

Not sure what that has to do with Ben Affleck, as that was the last thing we discussed.

But on "racial agitators", which I assume to mean people who try to fan the fires of racism when these is none, I don't agree with it. But as it relates to this thread, that's not what Hillary was doing with removing that suspicious pic.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
One thing:

"Thug Life" tatted on you likely means you're a huge 2Pac fan and has nothing to do with race. There's people of all ethnicities with Thug Life tatts. A quick Google search would show that. Hell, there's a Spanish porn star named Jenny Hard that has "Hard Life" tattooed on her chest above her ****.

While I don't doubt you're correct, it still puts out the wrong message considering how being a "Thug" is seen in America, typically a gang member who has no respect for the law.

How it relates back to this thread in a fashion, the Caucasian man having "White" on his arm sending out the wrong message, regardless of his intentions.

"Thug Life" is more akin to someone who is a Punk Rock/Metal fan tattooing "Straight Edge", "Damaged", or "Punk" on themselves than it has to do with their ethnicity. "Thug Life" is not synonymous with "Black", though the term and tattoo was created by a black musician.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
"Thug Life" is more akin to someone who is a Punk Rock/Metal fan tattooing "Straight Edge", "Damaged", or "Punk" on themselves than it has to do with their ethnicity. "Thug Life" is not synonymous with "Black", though the term and tattoo was created by a black musician.

Your banner is goddamn priceless. LOVE that character.

Thanks man. One of my favorite B movies.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
"Thug Life" is more akin to someone who is a Punk Rock/Metal fan tattooing "Straight Edge", "Damaged", or "Punk" on themselves than it has to do with their ethnicity. "Thug Life" is not synonymous with "Black", though the term and tattoo was created by a black musician.

I wasn't implying that the gang members in question were black, just that "thug" is associated with gangs and not in a positive way.

Originally posted by Robtard
I wasn't implying that the gang members in question were black, just that "thug" is associated with gangs and not in a positive way.

Yes, "Thug" is associated with gangs/criminality, but it's not a racially descriptive term like having "White", "Black", "Brown","Red", etc. tattooed on your body. A member of the Russian Mafia, Triads, or Yakuza could (and likely many do) have 2Pac's "Thug Life" tattoo on their chest. If I saw someone with the phrase "Thug Life" tattooed on them I'm going to think they're either a poser or someone I don't want to be associated with as they might be involved in shady/criminal activity, but there's no racial element to it, which is why it's not akin to a someone having "White" or "Black" tattooed on their body. There isn't a "Thug" ethnicity.

*edit

And for clarity's sake, my response was due to TI's example on the previous page.

Thug is kinda racially charged though. When the media uses "thug" it's almost always a black person.

That's actually not the case. Thug is generally used for people engaging in criminal or gang related behavior, typically violence or drug traffic. If you are referring to the "distinctions" made when, say, sporting event rioters engage in property damage versus looters from a protest only you might have somewhat of a point, but other people who engage in activities like turf wars, drug dealing, and gang violence do get referred to as thugs even if their ethnicity was not black. For example, Italian members of organized crime or other criminal elements as well as Latino and Asian Gang Members. Hell, Police have been referred to as "Jack Booted Thugs" and "Thugs with Badges". The view that "Thug" is primarily used for Black Activity is a bit of confirmation bias overlooking the other instances where the term is used.