Darth Sion has killed top tier Jedi High Council members, temporarily one-shotted the Exile with Force Drain to an extent her party felt her death in the Force and has four decades of killing Jedi Knights and Masters, he is also capable of just toying with the Exile's party members.
Bastila Shan isn't defeating him in the Trayus Core, he's much stronger, far more durable and has endless stamina, he is also more powerful to boot.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Darth Sion has killed top tier Jedi High Council members
IIRC, Vash sort of implied she was caught in something of a trap as opposed to anything directly combat related being fair
https://youtu.be/00yUEISbrdk?t=2m40s
Nothing really indicates she ever directly fought him after being placed in that cell either IIRC
temporarily one-shotted the Exile with Force Drain to an extent her party felt her death in the Force
Have a link to this?
Never seen this one, though it sounds out of place when shit like Nihilus' drain flat out didn't work.
and has four decades of killing Jedi Knights and Masters
His decades of experience didn't amount to much when Bastila became Malak's apprentice, his shadow hand, the second most powerful in his empire.
The extra 5 years under Traya didn't imply much increased volume in combat either IIRC
he is also capable of just toying with the Exile's party members.
You're talking Atton right?
Isn't that a fight that could have gone either way?
Bastila Shan isn't defeating him in the Trayus Core
The fight's not in the Trayus Core to start with?
That, and why would Bastila be any less amped when drawing on it than Sion?
What suggests growth from using nexus energy is lopsided?
he's much stronger
How?
Not exactly like Bastila isn't capable of trading strikes with Malak or Revan
Is it possible he's stronger overall?
Sure
Can you actually quantify or prove such a gap?
Good luck with that.
far more durable
His regen is legit, yes
and has endless stamina
His Force reserves are as finite as anyone else's in the franchise
Let's not resort to hyperbole to try making points please
he is also more powerful to boot.
Outside the weird "force draining Surik" thing you mentioned, nothing really suggests what you're saying here
Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
[B]IIRC, Vash sort of implied she was caught in something of a trap as opposed to anything directly combat related being fairhttps://youtu.be/00yUEISbrdk?t=2m40s
Nothing really indicates she ever directly fought him after being placed in that cell either IIRC
In Cut-content she apparently would have fought him, this is of course after the droid planet was scraped. Also if KOTOR2 The complete guide is reliable. She(alongside Zez-Kai and Vrook) are stated to be lightsaber virtuosos.
Admittedly, I have no idea if this applys to her seeing as she's dead and most of her content got cut, so yeah.
Have a link to this?Never seen this one, though it sounds out of place when shit like Nihilus' drain flat out didn't work.
May be Cut-content, Not sure to be honest.
His decades of experience didn't amount to much when Bastila became Malak's apprentice, his shadow hand, the second most powerful in his empire.
Yeah, the second most powerful person in an empire who's academy was left in ruins after Revan and his party fought off Academy forces.
It also doesn't help that Bastila's best showing is on The Star Forge.
While on Lehon Revan, Jolee and Juhani were all hesitant about killing/fighting her
And on the Leviathan Bastila, Revan and Carth had just been tortured, fought through Sith Troopers, Dark Jedi and Droids. And several times it's stated that Malak was always looking to capture, not kill, Bastila.
You're talking Atton right?Isn't that a fight that could have gone either way?
Yeah, it's rather ambiguous as to how that ended and cut-content.
The fight's not in the Trayus Core to start with?That, and why would Bastila be any less amped when drawing on it than Sion?
What suggests growth from using nexus energy is lopsided?
Hmm, well Sion would recover much, much easier than he would off the Trayus Core. But that's about all i can think of to be honest.
How?Not exactly like Bastila isn't capable of trading strikes with Malak or Revan
Yeah, but, they'd both be holding back wouldn't they? I mean i always thought so. Given Revan's feelings for Bastila and Malak's desire to use her Battle Meditation against the Republic.
Is it possible he's stronger overall?Sure
Can you actually quantify or prove such a gap?
Good luck with that.
Best i can think of is, lifting and throwing Kreia and lifting up Atton with no visible effort.
Btw i have no real argument for Sion, just adding my thoughts and answering questions. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. It's nearly One AM so i'm bound to make mistakes lol
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
In Cut-content she apparently would have fought him, this is of course after the droid planet was scraped. Also if KOTOR2 The complete guide is reliable. She(alongside Zez-Kai and Vrook) are stated to be lightsaber virtuosos.
Only seen a fan made mod for Vash vs Sion on youtube, don't really know anything about the droid planet stuff :hmm
I'd consider the saber shit legit on Vash's part anyway, just how it applies to Sion directly is harder to determine without knowing how their confrontation went down.
May be Cut-content, Not sure to be honest.
Could be
Yeah, the second most powerful person in an empire who's academy was left in ruins after Revan and his party fought off Academy forces.
Not really the point
Sion was a part of the Malak/Revan empire as well
The shadow hand/apprentice per KOTOR CG is second only to their Master.
In that empire, he was passed over for at least Bandon as well as Bastila
Possibly those 3 nameless Sith on the Star Forge depending on if you're willing to consider they exist outside the Dark Side ending route.
Sure, he learned much from Traya over the fives years between games, but I don't particularly remember the game or extra material supporting his growth was a significant spike from what he'd previously experience over the past 4 or so decades prior.
Being fair, I haven't played in a while, so I might be missing some context on both his frustration with Traya's methods in teaching and such so... *shrugs*
While on Lehon Revan, Jolee and Juhani were all hesitant about killing/fighting her
This is certainly true, though that scripted Force Wave was nice
And on the Leviathan Bastila, Revan and Carth had just been tortured, fought through Sith Troopers, Dark Jedi and Droids. And several times it's stated that Malak was always looking to capture, not kill, Bastila.
Yeah, it's rather ambiguous as to how that ended and cut-content.
Gotcha :hmm
Hmm, well Sion would recover much, much easier than he would off the Trayus Core. But that's about all i can think of to be honest.
More or less what I'd think, yeah
Not exactly what the thread is exploring though
Yeah, but, they'd both be holding back wouldn't they? I mean i always thought so. Given Revan's feelings for Bastila and Malak's desire to use her Battle Meditation against the Republic.
Certainly arguable, yeah
Depends on how you take that strategy guide narration with Revan though.
Which in consideration of Beni I dropped already so... eh
Best i can think of is, lifting and throwing Kreia and lifting up Atton with no visible effort.
Eh...
Star Wars strength feats generally underwhelm me
A Dark Lord of the Sith like Sion/Malgus/Bane/etc have a whole slew of semi-superhuman strength feats in the lower kilojoule range if you look hard enough for some
Then you have fodder like Rakghouls that can punch their way through metal walls in TOR apparently. Had some screen caps a friend linked me on my other computer if I can bother to get around to it when its not almost 2 am :hmm
Not sure how KMC handles that, but where I normally post Star Wars strength feats generally rely on powerscaling off said fodder when all's left said and done *shrugs*
From their you just pray the saber clashes lead to some distinct idea of who's strength is better.
Btw i have no real argument for Sion, just adding my thoughts and answering questions. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm just shooting the shit myself at this point tbh
No worries dude :maybe
It's nearly One AM so i'm bound to make mistakes lol
Amateur hour
Come back to me when you're still unable to fall asleep and left with little to do at 5 am but debate stupid shit online :maybe
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No where in the diolague.txt files does it say they fight (correct me if I'm wrong - but I just checked). So no, cut-content doesn't have it.
What folder is that in anyway? :hmm