The death of Kate Steinle

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial

Her Killer..

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/07/us/who-was-kate-steinle/

What a sad story. She lived a great life putting others first.

Oh, she's white. Yeah, we should have held a White House emergency announcement, started a fund, and gave her a memorial somewhere. No wonder you're so keyed up.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
I don't think it has to do with agenda, it has to do with her being white.

Originally posted by Robtard
Reading the story, it seems like the Sheriff's department goofed in part. They asked for Lopez-Sanchez to be sent to SF to face a 1995 marijuana charge and then the charges were dismissed the next day. He then went back to jail and sat there until his time was up.

But somebody messed up. You can blame it on whoever you want to blame it on, but the incident shows things need to change. Personally I don't think anyone who is illegal should be allowed to stay, a criminal or not. However, that isn't the real issue here because I'm not even asking for that since they would never have the balls to do it even if they could track down every illegal.

So when it comes to using this story to show how *something* needs to change in regards to the way illegals are handled..I think the story still fits. Likewise, it's still a hot topic, as are these "Sanctuary Cities" in general, and this is all tied together to me.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Oh, she's white. Yeah, we should have held a White House emergency announcement, started a fund, and gave her a memorial somewhere. No wonder you're so keyed up.

Maybe you think they should of rioted, looted, and burned down the city instead as a reaction?

Originally posted by Surtur
Maybe you think they should of rioted, looted, and burned down the city instead as a reaction?

You do know that the looters during the Ferguson protests came from a neighboring district mostly, just to take advantage of the unrest, right?

You are also aware that my other points still stand and your ignoring them doesn't equate victory. Reread my post on the previous page.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
You do know that the looters during the Ferguson protests came from a neighboring district mostly, just to take advantage of the unrest, right?

You are also aware that my other points still stand and your ignoring them doesn't equate victory. Reread my post on the previous page.

So just to be clear what percentage of looters do you feel were from Ferguson?

As to your other post, I disagree, I think immigration is a hot issue right now. It is one thing if you want to say the Ferguson thing was was a more important issue, but another to suggest it would be crazy for Obama to comment on this.

Hell just forgetting everything else..crap like this is just going to incite people to believe the stupid shit Donald Trump says. They will look and go "aha, proof" and you don't think the president should say anything? Doesn't even have to be about this specific case, it can just be about how changes are needed in general to our policies.

I'm on the fence because I'm not trying to say it is something I absolutely feel he should comment on..merely that I wouldn't be thinking it was a silly or unimportant thing if he did comment on it and I can see why some people might want him to do so. I wouldn't scoff and ask if we should of held a memorial for her at the white house or started a fund for her.

Also how come nobody ever riots due to the high percentage of african americans who die at the hands of other african americans? Every other day I hear about some little kid getting shot and killed by piece of shit gang bangers. No riots at all. If you point this out, some label you as racist. It's just if an innocent black man being killed by a white cop causes such an uproar, there should be riots every single day in Chicago over the innocent black children killed by other members of the race. Why do black lives only matter when they are taken by white men in positions of power? A lot of these murders go unsolved too so you can't even say they didn't riot because justice was served. But it happens a lot where it isn't, and why is that? Because the people of the neighborhood keep silent over it.

Originally posted by Surtur
But somebody messed up. You can blame it on whoever you want to blame it on, but the incident shows things need to change. Personally I don't think anyone who is illegal should be allowed to stay, a criminal or not. However, that isn't the real issue here because I'm not even asking for that since they would never have the balls to do it even if they could track down every illegal.

So when it comes to using this story to show how *something* needs to change in regards to the way illegals are handled..I think the story still fits. Likewise, it's still a hot topic, as are these "Sanctuary Cities" in general, and this is all tied together to me.

Agreed, someone(s) did mess up. It seems to be in part the Sheriff's Dept, possibly ICE for not processing him properly afterward. They're all pointing the finger though.

I don't think this actually points to an issue with "Sanctuary Cities", since I highly doubt sanctuary is extended to illegals with a history of crime. This guy was a serious criminal and should have been deported (after time served) because of that.

It confuses me why the weed thing even mattered. He'd been deported 5 times already, so why did they have to try to hold him over some pot charges?

Originally posted by Surtur
It confuses me why the weed thing even mattered. He'd been deported 5 times already, so why did they have to try to hold him over some pot charges?

Yeah, that part makes no sense, Sheriff's Dept asked for him to be transferred over to face a 20-year marijuana related crime and then dropped the charges the next day. They then lied and said they never asked for him.

Reading (wiki) up on the Immigration Reform Act of 1996 and sanctuary cities, it pretty much means that police officers can't go around asking people for their alien status in those cities. Illegal aliens who commit crimes are still subject to deportation though.

So someone messed up when releasing him, as the laws stand he should have been deported a 6th time after serving his sentence instead of being set free.

Originally posted by Surtur
So just to be clear what percentage of looters do you feel were from Ferguson?

It's irrelevant what I feel; the point is that a significant number of looters were from outside of Ferguson, and there were genuine peaceful protesters who had a valid point. Using the example of looters is a red herring.

As to your other post, I disagree, I think immigration is a hot issue right now.

But not equivalent to the issue of lethal police profiling. Immigration in itself is not a cause of unwarranted deaths by officials who are supposed to protect us, and the actions of an isolated individual are not representative of a whole.

It is one thing if you want to say the Ferguson thing was was a more important issue, but another to suggest it would be crazy for Obama to comment on this.

Again, irrelevant. You're equating two dissimilar things and using fallacies to counter my rebuttals.

Hell just forgetting everything else..crap like this is just going to incite people to believe the stupid shit Donald Trump says. They will look and go "aha, proof" and you don't think the president should say anything?

Donald Trump is living proof that money can't buy smarts or class, so why validate his idiocy by taking an official stance on it? He'll just chicken out like he did last time, after inciting heartland racists anyways.

Doesn't even have to be about this specific case, it can just be about how changes are needed in general to our policies.

But the point is Obama shouldn't be using this specific case to address the point of immigration, when the point of this particular crime is that it's a rare violent crime, which just happens to be perpetuated by an immigrant. The crime would warrant almost no attention if perpetuated by a white or black male, or hispanic who was a legal citizen.

I'm on the fence because I'm not trying to say it is something I absolutely feel he should comment on..merely that I wouldn't be thinking it was a silly or unimportant thing if he did comment on it and I can see why some people might want him to do so. I wouldn't scoff and ask if we should of held a memorial for her at the white house or started a fund for her.

The point is, things happen to white girls, much news. Things happen to non-white girls, no one knows. That's a deeper issue than brown people getting over here illegally.

Also how come nobody ever riots due to the high percentage of african americans who die at the hands of other african americans? Every other day I hear about some little kid getting shot and killed by piece of shit gang bangers. No riots at all. If you point this out, some label you as racist. It's just if an innocent black man being killed by a white cop causes such an uproar, there should be riots every single day in Chicago over the innocent black children killed by other members of the race. Why do black lives only matter when they are taken by white men in positions of power?

The issue is primarily when the crime is racially motivated. It's even worse when done by people sworn to protect the common individual from harm. Black-on-black crime is prevalent, but not related to black hate; therefore, the issues are not the same.

A lot of these murders go unsolved too so you can't even say they didn't riot because justice was served. But it happens a lot where it isn't, and why is that? Because the people of the neighborhood keep silent over it.

Indeed, they don't riot. But again, it's not the same issue. You riot against the system when it doesn't work; you don't riot against other citizens because they engage in criminal behavior. No one riots the mafia or gang members. It's pretty basic.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Lmao. Compare the media reaction when a 5 year old black girl goes missing vs the media reaction when a 5 year old white girl goes missing.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
They are not comparable stories and social issues. Ferguson is just a high profile issue that is virtually endemic in parts of the country. Black people, whether suspected of crime or committing it, are far more likely to be fatally shot than say, white people. This is a huge social injustice and equality. The issue of someone being killed by a yo-yo immigrant isn't the same, because it's not indicative of a larger ongoing trend of murderous immigrants.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
by total numbers white Suicide by police is higher,

Since when was I arguing suicide by cop?

by percent by race it gets a little closer to what you're saying but that's mostly because of the relatively few black people to white people in the country.
(13-18% vs 66-70%)

Why use percentage which is both unsourced and relative to total population instead of percentage of race per capita?

In any case, my point stands.

That's what it is called when you fight a cop and get killed.

Lol? You wanna try and find a way to twist a narrative to better fit, go for it.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
it's more apt to compare to when a Hispanic man killed a black kid, "who could have been" Obama's son.

So this administrations failures of executive amnesty is nothing compared to this atrocity. This is the problem with keeping illegals here and why sanctuary cities need to be told to kick rocks.

When this lunatic was interviewed by the police he was asked why he kept coming back after being deported and he told them cause he knew he would not be pursued in a sanctuary city.

I hope everyone here defending this bs can sleep at night and if you can, let me ask you this. What would you say if this happened to your sister or brother?

Are we supposed to distrust, fear, and hate every Mexican immigrant simply because of this one extreme case? You're fearmongering, TI.

Lol they knew he had been deported 5tinexabd had prior felonies!

Originally posted by Omega Vision
It was the egregiousness of the murder and the fact that the murderer wasn't arrested that provoked outrage, not solely race. Don't be so churlish.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
lol? No, the actual "murder" was self defense and was fairly obvious before the trial. Racism fueled the circus it became. The news repeatedly lied about facts, including the Race of the people involved and the life Mr. Martin was leading.

Agreed, It's funny people still call that cop a racist. And think he was guilty despite the evidence, the trial and outcome.