Originally posted by Blue Area VetKarnak hasn't shown the necessary skill to even hit Batman at his best. Plus Batman is a 1 tonner himself.
You guys DO realize this is pure hand time hand, right? Batman doesn't have a prayer. Karnak is a super human martial artist with the ability to identify and exploit his opponents weakness. Easy up on the Batman worship.
Originally posted by long pig
Panther is better than batman, so I dunnoooooo
Originally posted by cdtm
That's debatable.
Thats hilarious.
Anyway, Batman for a majority. He always fights smart and isnt above gadgeting a physically superior opponent. In this case i dont see Karnak being superior enough to tank what Batman can hit him with on average.
Also, 9 minute thread bump has to be a new forum record. 👆
Originally posted by h1a8
Even if Karnak manage to hit Batman then it won't be flush on the breaking point. Batman's mobility will cause Karnak to miss his mark.
Not if they're around the same speed.
And not when almost every point on every side of his body is a brittle breaking point. We're not talking standard joint attacks here, this is someone that could break your hand up to your shoulder playing "bloody knuckles".
Originally posted by cdtmBoxers who are the same speed mostly miss flush hits. Most hits are glancing hits. Batman is faster by feats. But if BP can do that to Karnak then so can Batman.
Not if they're around the same speed.And not when almost every point on every side of his body is a brittle breaking point. We're not talking standard joint attacks here, this is someone that could break your hand up to your shoulder playing "bloody knuckles".
Originally posted by h1a8
Boxers who are the same speed mostly miss flush hits. Most hits are glancing hits.
Yeah, hits on the arms, shoulders, hands.. Ali's rope a dope strategy is based on taking those hits, and letting his opponent wear himself out.
Which wouldn't work against someone who could pierce your shoulder or upper arm with a well placed strike.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Fun fact: Batman's kick did more to Hulk than Karnak's strike.Also, lmao at the Thor scan. Thor is such a loser. Surfer got suckered by Karnak, too. Such ''heralds'' they are.
Meanwhile, on the next Karate PIS thread: "But Val never really hurt Superboy. See how awesome Karnak is hurting Thor. The same Karnak BP took down.
Black Panther wins!" 🙁
Originally posted by Juk3n
The BP that did that to Karnak was at Heart-Shaped Herb levels right?I ask because even 616 Caps feats are debateable against Batmans, and 616 heartshaped herb T'Challas feats are less impressive than the catalogue of Caps. T'challa has some beast MA feats, like the 4ma master skrull he fought or the IF stalemate..kinda.. But Batman would at least split him 5/5 for sure and no ones presented proof otherwise.
Obvs current BP with all his buffs and other bullshit that makes me not wanna read him would win - pfft teleportation pfft bollox.
What im saying is, if HSH T'challa could do this, it absolutely not out of the realm of likelihood that Batman would do it too.
Sir, T'Challa has ALWAYS been two tiers above Batman. This is nothing new. He's been portrayed as such from day one of his existence. He pulled down a tree and loaded it with a boulder to make a catapult decades ago. He ran past a running Sabertooth so fast he appeared as a blur to him. So Jamal fought a certified super human and lost and Yes, he was at traditional levels.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Sir, T'Challa has ALWAYS been two tiers above Batman. This is nothing new. He's been portrayed as such from day one of his existence. He pulled down a tree and loaded it with a boulder to make a catapult decades ago. He ran past a running Sabertooth so fast he appeared as a blur to him. So Jamal fought a certified super human and lost and Yes, he was at traditional levels.
Pretty sure Bats has kicked trees in half.
Originally posted by h1a8
Boxers who are the same speed mostly miss flush hits. Most hits are glancing hits. Batman is faster by feats. But if BP can do that to Karnak then so can Batman.
Karnak has WAY better speed feat bro, stop it. I just showed you one no human could ever match. Ignore it if you will.
Originally posted by riv6672
So...are we arguing power sets or showings or...what exactly?
There is nothing to argue in terms of power sets. Showings can be argued but it's a damn landslide. Funny how these guys are not only arguing that Batman would dodge each and every blow, but that he would have the skill to put Karnak down in hand to hand. H1, you are way beyond delusional. Batman would be lucky to dodge A blow from Karnak. On the other hand, if Karnak strikes him once he's dead. The scan I just showed you was of pure super human speed. He reacted and covered the distance to Thor in a fraction of a second. Notice in the upper left frame Mjolnir is still blurred from movement, yet Karnak covered the room to chop his wrist. As far as the BP scan, it was a SUPERHUMAN dodge and a SUPERHUMAN blow by a character with perhaps the highest career success level in all of comics.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Got scans or at least issue #?Pretty sure Bats has kicked trees in half.
I don't Cel but take a look at his respect thread and also Karnaks. People here are uninformed on certain characters that aren't the top tier in terms of popularity. In the case of BP, Marvel shares some blame for dubbing him peak human. He was NEVER portrayed as peak human. Stopping a charging elephant with his hands and tackling and breaking the neck of a rhino is Kraven level feats. Unlike 80% of other characters, he never got performance upgrades (irregardless of getting a power uograde). For goodness sake, he defeated the FF in his first appearance! People for some reason don't like the king of the dead upgrade, but he lost those powers in the same Hickman run. As a matter of fact, HE LOST IT RIGHT BEFORE HE BEAT NAMORS ASS.
Ill say it again because it's true, BP is closer to Spiderman than he is Captain America. Batman should never be mentioned in the same sentence as BP.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
There is nothing to argue in terms of power sets. Showings can be argued but it's a damn landslide. Funny how these guys are not only arguing that Batman would dodge each and every blow, but that he would have the skill to put Karnak down in hand to hand. H1, you are way beyond delusional. Batman would be lucky to dodge A blow from Karnak. On the other hand, if Karnak strikes him once he's dead. The scan I just showed you was of pure super human speed. He reacted and covered the distance to Thor in a fraction of a second. Notice in the upper left frame Mjolnir is still blurred from movement, yet Karnak covered the room to chop his wrist. As far as the BP scan, it was a SUPERHUMAN dodge and a SUPERHUMAN blow by a character with perhaps the highest career success level in all of comics.
Originally posted by riv6672
Just wondering. Seems both are being presented in the back and forth.
I said before Karnak is physically superior. Batman has the gadgets..
It's hand to hand! There are no gadgets.
What you said was Karnak lacks the skill to touch him which is comical. I just showed you him touching Thor in what had to be thousandths of a second.