Originally posted by Blue Area VetKarnak hitting Thor doesn't prove he's faster than Batman.
There is nothing to argue in terms of power sets. Showings can be argued but it's a damn landslide. Funny how these guys are not only arguing that Batman would dodge each and every blow, but that he would have the skill to put Karnak down in hand to hand. H1, you are way beyond delusional. Batman would be lucky to dodge A blow from Karnak. On the other hand, if Karnak strikes him once he's dead. The scan I just showed you was of pure super human speed. He reacted and covered the distance to Thor in a fraction of a second. Notice in the upper left frame Mjolnir is still blurred from movement, yet Karnak covered the room to chop his wrist. As far as the BP scan, it was a SUPERHUMAN dodge and a SUPERHUMAN blow by a character with perhaps the highest career success level in all of comics.
Also Batman has batted bullets away and moved fast enough to avoid machine gun fire. Batman is a physical peer to CA who is a physical peer to BP. So Batman is a physical peer to BP.
So Batman can easily replicate BP. Karnaks skill is laughable.
Originally posted by h1a8
Karnak hitting Thor doesn't prove he's faster than Batman.
1. Thor wasn't really alert to being attacked.
2. Characters don't always use their reflexes to dodge. I.e. Hitting Superman in a comic doesn't mean you are faster than a bullet.
3. Batman is superhuman by feats. He has moved, lifted, and struck with forces beyond any human could achieve. He is easily a 1 tonner by feats. Karnak is also a 1 tonner.Also Batman has batted bullets away and moved fast enough to avoid machine gun fire. Batman is a physical peer to CA who is a physical peer to BP. So Batman is a physical peer to BP.
So Batman can easily replicate BP. Karnaks skill is laughable.
1. What? Try making sense. Karnak approaches him from his front side. He moves before Thor can react, that's why Thor wasn't "alert." Utterly ridiculous argument.
2. I wasn't referring just to Thor's inability to react. I specially spoke if the distance Karnak covered in that span from first panel on the left to second on the right. That is Quicksilver level pure speed. Nice try.
3. Batman is a ****ing ringer, still, he's weaker and slower than Karnak. You just said yourself that Karnak is physically superior, now you are renigging? Batman can't strike Karnak. Karnaks blows would kill Bruce.
4. No and no. Cap is a peer to Batman in your wet dreams and BP > Cap. Even Batman acknowledged this.
Try reading a respect thread before you talk nonsense.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
It's hand to hand! There are no gadgets.What you said was Karnak lacks the skill to touch him which is comical. I just showed you him touching Thor in what had to be thousandths of a second.
Originally posted by riv6672
I'd feel worse about misreading the OP if you werent attributing non existent statements to me.
I guess what confused me was talk of Black Panther. He wears a super suit, scans show him in the suit...no Batman scans, sadly.
So, what confused you?
You in fact said "Batman has the gadgets." If you think you didn't make that statement, you are confused. I responded to the pointless statement you made.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
You in fact said "Batman has the gadgets." If you think you didn't make that statement, you are confused. I responded to the pointless statement you made.
Originally posted by riv6672
...I said before Karnak is physically superior. Batman has the gadgets.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
1. What? Try making sense. Karnak approaches him from his front side. He moves before Thor can react, that's why Thor wasn't "alert." Utterly ridiculous argument.2. I wasn't referring just to Thor's inability to react. I specially spoke if the distance Karnak covered in that span from first panel on the left to second on the right. That is Quicksilver level pure speed. Nice try.
3. Batman is a ****ing ringer, still, he's weaker and slower than Karnak. You just said yourself that Karnak is physically superior, now you are renigging? Batman can't strike Karnak. Karnaks blows would kill Bruce.
4. No and no. Cap is a peer to Batman in your wet dreams and BP > Cap. Even Batman acknowledged this.
Try reading a respect thread before you talk nonsense.
1. So tagging someone with fast reflexes automatically proves that you are faster than their reflexes? And by the way, Batman has tagged beings faster than Thor on multiple occasions. Actually there are many examples of street levelers tagging beings with fast reflexes before they can react in a comic.
2. Yet the plot called for Thor to not react. He wasn't even trying to fight. Thor has reacted to light speeds from 30ft away. So can BP react to quicksilver? Hell no.
3. What? I never ever said, claimed, or implied that Karnak is stronger or faster. Batman has feats above 5tons, Karnak doesn't. Batman has feats of moving his arms near bullet speeds, Karnak doesn't. Batman is far more skilled, something that you are completely ignoring. Karnak is a joke against true MA.
4. Batman can match CA feat for feat. CA is a little more superior in physicality but not so much that they aren't peers. FYI, a peer is someone not more or less than twice (100%) of you. Someone more twice your strength or speed (more than 100% more) is no longer a peer. Caps physical feats are better than BP feats. So why is BP physically superior?