Oozaru Vegeta vs. Goku

Originally posted by cdtm
Nappa's also much, much stronger though. The whole point of tail training is to prevent weaklings from exploiting it. Doesn't mean it will hold up against someone of equal strength.

Doesn't work like that. Tail grabbing hurt no matter who grabbed it. Training it was a way to do away with the weakness altogether. It would hurt no more than say grabbing his arm would

Only weaker characters have tried it. Krillin to Goku, and Ten to Nappa.

A person of equal strength could totally hurt someones arm with both hands.

And the tail was treated as a major weak point. We've seen Freeza wince just from SSJ Goku grabbing his hand, so it's unlikely any amount of training could turn a serious weak point into the strongest parts of the body.

Originally posted by cdtm
Only weaker characters have tried it. Krillin to Goku, and Ten to Nappa.

A person of equal strength could totally hurt someones arm with both hands.

And the tail was treated as a major weak point. We've seen Freeza wince just from SSJ Goku grabbing his hand, so it's unlikely any amount of training could turn a serious weak point into the strongest parts of the body.

Wrong. Tien grabbed Goku's tail the the WMAT and they were about equal in power. It did nothing since Goku overcame the weakness.

A person of equal strength would not hurt someones arm just by grabbing it. Hell sometimes their punches and kicks barely do anything.

The tail WAS treated like a weakpoint until Goku overcame that weakness. It was never sated his tail got stroger but was still a weakspot. It was said it was no longer a weakspot period. Nappa and Vegeta confirm this too.

Also it was Piccolo not Tien that grabbed Nappa's tail

Just looked back and I was mistaken about Tien grabbing Goku's tail. Trying to figure out who I was thinking of

EDIT: It was Krillin. My Bad. But the difference between Goku and Krillin at that point wasn't huge and Krillin was able to give Goku a fight. Nothing shows that the tail was still a weak point at all after training it

Goku wasn't taking Krillin seriously at all (And Ten even remarked he'd make an easier opponent) , while Krillin was acting desperate. Hence the tail grab attempt.

The difference in their power levels was less than 100.

Tail-grabbing won't work on Vegeta:

Originally posted by Galan007
Tail-grabbing won't work on Vegeta:

Ah, so it was Piccolo and not Ten.

Still a good deal weaker then Nappa, though. At 180k a piece, in theory Goku should be about as strong as Vegeta

Plus, we have one example that implies inferior durability: Yajorobi cutting it off, with a normal sword.

^ Tail-cutting isn't an option, per the stips of this thread.

As for tail-grabbing: Vegeta and Nappa overcame that weakness. Goku stopping and trying to squeeze it would only serve to make him a target for Vegeta.

Re-thinking this:

The thing is, Vegeta was barely faster then SAIYAN SAGA Goku. A much, much, much slower Goku then Namek saga.

I'm thinking the waremonkey mainly increases power like an Ultra SSJ form, wirh very little increases to speed (If any. Goku remarked on Vegeta's speed relative to his size, but Vegeta should be faster then Goku normally..)

I'd give it to Goku, given that he had a PL of 180,000 (which is what Oozaru Vegita was if we take his "ten time stronger" claim at face value) at Kaioken, so Kaioken x2 would mop him.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Oozaru Vegeta was nowhere near his peak, though.

Was Goku in any better shape, really?

I'm not sure the "10x" multiplier should necessarily be taken at face value. Vegeta didn't seem to grow that much in power, and if Vegeta could reach a power level of 180,000 simply by being subjected to blutz waves, I suspect he wouldn't have been taken so lightly by Zarbon, the Ginyu Force, etc., no?