Originally posted by dynamix
think im gonna give this to GEB. It made God's wrath, with amp from DC's best mages, look like a mosquito (and it wasn't even trying, iirc, it was just stretching or something lol!). i've seen LT get laid out before so i can see someone of GEB caliber win the majority here.
I doubt being powered by mages is anywhere near living tribunal in power,he was laid out by the beyonders who wiped out every abstract entity in the MU
Originally posted by Genii96
I doubt being powered by mages is anywhere near living tribunal in power,he was laid out by the beyonders who wiped out every abstract entity in the MU
It wasn't just 'some mages'.
It was Silver Age Dr Fate, who was at full power, and guided by Nabu himself:
The entire Angelic Host:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/angelsvsgeb.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/angelsvsgeb1.jpg
Then the Spectre arrived.
He then got pumped up by magical energy from the sorcerors, and had the Presence's backing. Then the Spectre realised what they had been fighting, was just a toenail:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/GEB1.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/GEB2.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/GEB3.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/GEB4.jpg
The Presence itself had to arrive and fight, but only then, was only able to stalemate it.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/gebvspresence.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/gebvspresence1.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/gebvspresence2.jpg
Originally posted by zopzop
Yes, we saw when Quasar entered that reality.But you'll notice prior to this, the Watcher explained that he was in trouble because he allowed the LL to exploit his viewing device and his viewing device was about to be taken away from him.
He could have rectified the problem himself but he was bound by his oath and needed Quasar do to it.
All this was stated on panel.
The following is conjecture :
For all we know the LT or Time Keepers allowed Uatu leeway to do what he needed to do to get the LL from 616 back, including entering that sealed universe. Uatu couldn't because of his oath and let Quasar go in his place.
Just like "plot restrictions" on LT.
mmm
Originally posted by abhilegend
So, nothing but conjecture.Just like "plot restrictions" on LT.
mmm
Doesn't change the fact that the LT sealed up Korvac and Korvac and everyone else in that reality was unable to get out. Nothing was able to get in either, as we see in the follow up to the What IF Korvac story where Phoenix, Dr. Strange, and Surfer were unable to re-enter that reality (Korvac ejected them in the original What If) until the LT dropped the barrier.
An inconsistency (Quasar getting in through the Watcher portal) a decade+ later doesn't detract from the LT's original feat.
Originally posted by zopzop
Of course it's conjecture. It's fans trying to make the story work. That or Gruenwald just didn't give a damn since the original story took place over a decade after the events in Quasar 30.Doesn't change the fact that the LT sealed up Korvac and Korvac and everyone else in that reality was unable to get out. Nothing was able to get in either, as we see in the follow up to the What IF Korvac story where Phoenix, Dr. Strange, and Surfer were unable to re-enter that reality (Korvac ejected them in the original What If) until the LT dropped the barrier.
An inconsistency (Quasar getting in through the Watcher portal) a decade+ later doesn't detract from the LT's original feat.
It doesn't changes the fact that LT was unable to beat even Korvac directly and fled from him after dishing out his ultimate punishment.
So LT sucks, right?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course it does. Surfer, Phoenix or strange unable to enter the universe doesn't means anything when you realize those were from the same reality.
It doesn't changes the fact that LT was unable to beat even Korvac directly and fled from him after dishing out his ultimate punishment.So LT sucks, right?
This is a low showing how?
Originally posted by zopzop
Ok?He was unable to 'beat' him yet he sealed him and all other inhabitants of that universe off from the rest of the multiverse. He was so successful that NOTHING was able to get in or out of that reality. Not the remaining abstracts, not the inhabitants Korvac evicted from that reality earlier, and not even Super Korvac (who had absorbed the power of a crapload of Cosmics and Abstracts) himself.
This is a low showing how? [/B]
And if he was so powerful that nothing could escape the universe which mind you no abstract actually tried, why didn't he y'know beat Korvac with all that power?
It's a low showing because he fled from what, a being who beat some alternate reality featless characters?
LT totally sucks by your definition.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Except Quasar did. Living Laser too.
Right now, the ONLY being that got in or out was Quasar.
And if he was so powerful that nothing could escape the universe which mind you no abstract actually tried, why didn't he y'know beat Korvac with all that power?It's a low showing because he fled from what, a being who beat some alternate reality featless characters?
LT totally sucks by your definition.
What happened a DECADE+ later has no bearing on the original story because as we've seen there's debate as to whether the reality jumped into was the original What If Korvac story in the first place. The moon was destroyed in the original What If Korvac reality PRIOR to the armada showing up, yet in the universe Quasar jumped into, it was fully intact.
Originally posted by zopzop
We don't know at what point the LL entered that What If reality. So using him as proof for anything is out.Right now, the ONLY being that got in or out was Quasar.
That reality was sealed off from the rest of the multiverse and the writer made it CRYSTAL clear (even reinforcing his point in a LATER What If follow up story), nothing was getting in or out of that reality. Period.
What happened a DECADE+ later has no bearing on the original story because as we've seen there's debate as to whether the reality jumped into was the original What If Korvac story in the first place. The moon was destroyed in the original What If Korvac reality PRIOR to the armada showing up, yet in the universe Quasar jumped into, it was fully intact. [/B]
Nope, don't care and can't do that.
Again, why didn't LT beat Korvac? What's your excuse now?
Originally posted by abhilegend
So the seal was "full proof" if we can just ignore Quasar going in.
There's no proof that the reality Quasar entered was the original What If Korvac. The moon is the dead giveaway.
That or Gruenwald phucked up.
Take your pick. Neither detracts from the LT's original feat.
Nope, don't care and can't do that.Again, why didn't LT beat Korvac? What's your excuse now?
The LT isn't above letting a universe get destroyed in order to preserve the greater Multiverse. He's said so on panel.
Originally posted by zopzop
The seal was foolproof.There's no proof that the reality Quasar entered was the original What If Korvac. The moon is the dead giveaway.
That or Gruenwald phucked up.
Take your pick. Neither detracts from the LT's original feat.
He did beat Korvac. Korvac's rampage was contained to a single universe and Korvac died. /Fin
The LT isn't above letting a universe get destroyed in order to preserve the greater Multiverse. He's said so on panel. [/B]
Also, no he didn't. LT fled after Korvac tanked his "ultimate punishment".
No excuse can erase that.
So, try again.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Except the fact that Marvunapp says so.Also, no he didn't. LT fled after Korvac tanked his "ultimate punishment".
No excuse can erase that.
So, try again.
ON PANEL in the original story, the moon was destroyed BEFORE the armada showdown with the UN.
ON PANEL in Quasar 30, the moon was INTACT DURING the armada showdown with the UN.
Nothing Marvunapp says will change that fact. Period.
Yes, he tanked his ultimate punishment then was helpless (along with every other being in that universe) to escape the LT's imprisonment. Then he died.
/Fin
Originally posted by zopzop
Marvunapp doesn't overirde what we see on panel.ON PANEL in the original story, the moon was destroyed BEFORE the armada showdown with the UN.
ON PANEL in Quasar 30, the moon was INTACT DURING the armada showdown with the UN.
Nothing Marvunapp says will change that fact. Period.
Yes, he tanked his ultimate punishment then was helpless (along with every other being in that universe) to escape the LT's imprisonment. Then he died.
/Fin
How the hell did an alternate reality What If even became when LT had sealed it off?
Also
Originally posted by abhilegend
Also how about the time Reed punked him in Last Planet Standing?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Like I said inconsistencies happen in these kind of stories.How the hell did an alternate reality What If even became when LT had sealed it off?
LL and Quasar didn't time travel, they just hopped into an alternate reality. Gruenwald messed up big time there.
Also
Originally posted by zopzopExactly. And considering time is a constant in the MU, the What If Korvac reality shouldn't have even existed, since all this took place decades before Living Laser/Quasar entered that reality.
LL and Quasar didn't time travel, they just hopped into an alternate reality. Gruenwald messed up big time there.
So, no it wasn't an alternate reality. In both cases, LT seal was not absolute. Glad we agree.
Yeah, I know. Seeing as how Reed is a God it's not a low showing (Reed and Alien Entity created the MU on panel). 😂 [/B]
Alternate reality Reed.
Nice excuse though. What is even lulzworthy is LT and several other cosmics had to combine their powers to destroy a galaxy.
😂
Originally posted by abhilegend
So, no it wasn't an alternate reality. In both cases, LT seal was not absolute. Glad we agree.
Where ever the LL and Quasar found themselves wasn't the original What If Korvac reality.
Alternate reality Reed.Nice excuse though. What is even lulzworthy is LT and several other cosmics had to combine their powers to destroy a galaxy.
😂
Originally posted by zopzopActually yes it WAS an alt alt reality. Since the original What If Korvac was destroyed a DECADE+ ago. The LL and Quasar DID NOT time travel. They hopped into alternate realities. This much is stated on panel.
Where ever the LL and Quasar found themselves wasn't the original What If Korvac reality.
Except it wasn't. So, yeah LT sucks.
Reed is Reed. Maker is currently taking on Doom with the power of the Beyonders. [/B]
Excuse not acceptable.
LT sucks.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Except it wasn't. So, yeah LT sucks.
It was not the same reality because
a) the original What If was destroyed a decade+ before the events in Quasar 30 took place
b) they did jumped into alt realities, they didn't time travel
c) in the original, now nullified What If Korvac, the moon was destroyed by Korvac/Stranger BEFORE the showdown with the alien armada, in the reality Quasar and LL found themselves in, the moon was still intact DURING the alien armada showdown.
None of this is in dispute because it's all right there on panel. Let's get a mod ruling and put and end to this so we can move on.
Excuse not acceptable.
LT sucks.
Reed is just that good, nothing to do with the LT sucking.
