The Living Tribunal Vs The Great Evil Beast

Originally posted by zopzop

Except it was. We can probably ask for a mod ruling regarding this.

It was not the same reality because
a) the original What If was destroyed a decade+ before the events in Quasar 30 took place
b) they did jumped into alt realities, they didn't time travel
c) in the original, now nullified What If Korvac, the moon was destroyed by Korvac/Stranger BEFORE the showdown with the alien armada, in the reality Quasar and LL found themselves in, the moon was still intact DURING the alien armada showdown.

None of this is in dispute because it's all right there on panel. Let's get a mod ruling and put and end to this so we can move on.

So a parallel universe from it can't be created. Simple as that. It's more likely that Gruenwald forgot about the moon than that he was in a different reality altogether.

Reed is just that good, nothing to do with the LT sucking. [/B]

Nope, 616 Reed might be. But feats aren't transferable.

So yeah, LT sucks.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, it wasn't. As per the rules of parallel universes in marvel, the reality must've branched off from the original universe when it was explicitly sealed off from the multiverse to stop spreading further.

So a parallel universe from it can't be created. Simple as that. It's more likely that Gruenwald forgot about the moon than that he was in a different reality altogether.

It's a fact that they did NOT time travel and merely went into parallel universes. At that point in time, the original What If Koravac was long since nullified.

The moon is a dead giveaway.

On panel > handbooks or websites.

Nope, 616 Reed might be. But feats aren't transferable.

So yeah, LT sucks.

Originally posted by Genii96
I doubt being powered by mages is anywhere near living tribunal in power,he was laid out by the beyonders who wiped out every abstract entity in the MU

the mages? No. Spectre + mages = at least close to if not already at that level. And he was treated like an insect lol. In fact, GEB was more interested in philosophy during these assaults, lol. I thought it was pretty funny lol

Wow so many posts over this one thread.

Originally posted by dynamix
the mages? No. Spectre + mages = at least close to if not already at that level. And he was treated like an insect lol. In fact, GEB was more interested in philosophy during these assaults, lol. I thought it was pretty funny lol

Yea,I just saw someone post the scan of the presence stalemating the GEB,so this thing maybe another version of TOAA

Originally posted by abhilegend

So just some ships. Good.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Pure hyperbole.

Show some feats for these alternate reality characters while you're at it. [/B]

Originally posted by abhilegend

Why would I do that? I'm not the one who is hanging on hyperboles of narration to prove his point.

Cause you actually believe an entity (LT) more powerful than the universe entire (Eternity) ...
a FACT! proven across several issues prior to the 'What If' ...
... can't provide an attack greater than solar scale. 😐

Originally posted by abhilegend

No, simply a low showing.

There is no "plot restriction" clause anywhere shown in the comic or anywhere else. Its just your opinion.

So, "plot restriction" due to PIS & CIS ... plain and simple.

But then .. Yet, I (LT) can separate an entire universe from the multiverse in an impenetrable barrier.

So, facepalm to Gruenwald's nonsensical idiocy.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Sealing off the universe does not means he has universal level destruction capabilities.

Linear Men can do it. They can't destroy the universe. [/B]

I don't really have to prove that, do I? You should know this.

"Linear Men?" (that not Marvel) ... I could care less about DC comic's concept of things.

Originally posted by abhilegend

And its not meaningless.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Here your trusted site Marvunapp informs us that Quasar went into the same reality

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/earthkorvacconquers.htm

I win.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Except the fact that Marvunapp says so.

You must've missed this part: (your same Marvunapp link) 🙂

"However, theres a problem.
In the original What If story,
Korvac did not grow to enormous size and sit on Earth until AFTER the moon was shattered
as a result of the Strangers attempt to distract him from the kidnapping of Carina.
If the Quasar story really took place in the alternate reality first seen in the What If story,
then the moon should have already been reduced to a ring of debris orbiting Earth (as it was at the end of the WI story)
by the time he got there.
The fact that the moon in the Quasar story was still intact
may mean that that story did NOT occur in the exact same reality as the What If story did.
Maybe the Quasar story is actually set in yet another divergent reality,
one which is also destroyed by Korvac but in which the events leading up to that point took a slightly different course?
After all, as your profile pointed out,
the story in Fantastic Four Annual #24 revealed that this timeline didn't quite diverge at the point that the WI story claimed it did
so maybe its possible that other timelines could have diverged from this one during the course of the WI story."

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/earthkorvacconquers.htm


... ouch! ... That's gotta sting, even your determination.

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Damn, they explained my theory based on the On Panel facts almost verbatim to my claims. 👆

Originally posted by abhilegend

"Just because Gruenwald forgot about the destruction of moon, the entire story was an alternate reality". Seriously?

Just because Gruenwald forgot about the LT's barrier, the barrier never existed. Seriously? 😬

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But, anyway, the LT's barrier according to your Marvunapp link, was dissolved by the LT once Korvac was gone.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/earthkorvacconquers.htm

"With Korvac's threat essentially ended, the Tribunal dissolved the barrier it had formed around that reality."

Marvunapp references a later 'What If' issue to back up their claim. I found that issue/scene:

That's (#43) less than TWO years after the original Korvac What If story.

Quasar #30 was published TEN years after the original Korvac What If story.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Nope, 616 Reed might be.

But feats aren't transferable.

Here's Alternate Reed from reality-1720, who packs tech than can conquer the Omniverse!

Peace and love friend. I'm done. stoned

Well I would say GEB=presence >>>>>>>>mxy>>>>>LT

Originally posted by Mr Master
Well, about a "countless number" of starships ... but who's counting.

[quote[Yes it is. Imo. [/QUOTE]

Good thing is, I don't give a shit about what you think then.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Interesting. Thanx for that, it just helped me further.

You must've missed this part: (your same Marvunapp link) 🙂

"However, theres a problem.
In the original What If story,
Korvac did not grow to enormous size and sit on Earth until AFTER the moon was shattered
as a result of the Strangers attempt to distract him from the kidnapping of Carina.
If the Quasar story really took place in the alternate reality first seen in the What If story,
then the moon should have already been reduced to a ring of debris orbiting Earth (as it was at the end of the WI story)
by the time he got there.
[b]The fact that the moon in the Quasar story was still intact
may mean that that story did NOT occur in the exact same reality as the What If story did.
Maybe the Quasar story is actually set in yet another divergent reality,
one which is also destroyed by Korvac but in which the events leading up to that point took a slightly different course?
After all, as your profile pointed out,
the story in Fantastic Four Annual #24 revealed that this timeline didn't quite diverge at the point that the WI story claimed it did
so maybe its possible that other timelines could have diverged from this one during the course of the WI story."

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/earthkorvacconquers.htm


... ouch! ... That's gotta sting, even your determination.

What, you think nobody can see through your BS?

Damn, they explained my theory based on the On Panel facts almost verbatim to my claims. 👆

I can use that same reasoning friend.

Just because Gruenwald forgot about the LT's barrier, the barrier never existed. Seriously?

😂

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But, anyway, the LT's barrier according to your Marvunapp link, was dissolved by the LT once Korvac was gone.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/earthkorvacconquers.htm

"With Korvac's threat essentially ended, the Tribunal dissolved the barrier it had formed around that reality."

Marvunapp references a later 'What If' issue to back up their claim. I found that issue/scene:

You know what it means? LT only shielded Earth as Strange claims.

😆

[quote]That's (#43) less than TWO years after the original Korvac What If story.

Quasar #30 was published TEN years after the original Korvac What If story.

Actually, Zop is right, Reed, any "Reed" really (more or less) is just that good.

Here's Alternate Reed from reality-1720, who packs tech than can conquer the Omniverse!

[/URL]

😂

Peace and love friend. I'm done. stoned [/B]

This isn't even worth my efforts at this point.

Originally posted by zopzop

Also per rules, time is a constant in the MU. So the original What If Korvac reality was destroyed LONG before LL and Quasar entered the Watcher's portal.

It's a fact that they did NOT time travel and merely went into parallel universes. At that point in time, the original What If Koravac was long since nullified.

The moon is a dead giveaway.

On panel > handbooks or websites.

So you can post a scan where it says that it was a different reality?

And who says that the time difference between alternate reality is the same?

Well Ult Reed is taking it to Doom with the power of the Beyonders. Again, Reed is just that good. [/B]

Nope, Ult Reed has feats. Last Planet Standing reed doesn't.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So you can post a scan where it says that it was a different reality?

Originally posted by zopzop

We know it was a different reality because an important part of the plot in Quasar 30 is MISSING in the original What If Korvac. The moon is GONE before the armada scene in the original What If but present in Quasar 30. That's a huge tell. [/B]

It doesn't makes it an alternate reality.

Post the scan where it says so.

Wow......this went from Geb to Korvac and the LT....

Originally posted by h1a8
Well I would say GEB=presence >>>>>>>>mxy>>>>>LT

Mxy above living tribunal?.do you troll on purpose or are u just a natural?

Originally posted by Genii96
Mxy above living tribunal?.do you troll on purpose or are u just a natural?

Well, if he uses WF's Mxy (which, tbh, I haven't seen indication that it's a diff Mxy) then why not?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, if he uses WF's Mxy (which, tbh, I haven't seen indication that it's a diff Mxy) then why not?

Wf mxy is not above living tribunal,and mxy is just a 5d imp.."Living tribunal is 16 dimensional. Mxy was playing with galaxies and I think destroyed dc universe and remade it....living tribunal held 2 megaverses in his palm,and is shitloads stronger than any multi abstract...just because living tribunal dosent abuse his powers dosent mean he is weak. Mxy is only really powerful in the 1-4d dimensions..in his own native dimension he is just a chump.
Hell iirc..kubik noted that celestials were several dimensions above cosmic cubes...and beyonder himself when he faced them(they let him win) stated that they gave billions of hits in dimensions beyond humansm..a 5d imp is nothing to living tribunal.

Originally posted by Genii96
Wf mxy is not above living tribunal,and mxy is just a 5d imp.."Living tribunal is 16 dimensional. Mxy was playing with galaxies and I think destroyed dc universe and remade it....living tribunal held 2 megaverses in his palm,and is shitloads stronger than any multi abstract...just because living tribunal dosent abuse his powers dosent mean he is weak. Mxy is only really powerful in the 1-4d dimensions..in his own native dimension he is just a chump.
Hell iirc..kubik noted that celestials were several dimensions above cosmic cubes...and beyonder himself when he faced them(they let him win) stated that they gave billions of hits in dimensions beyond humansm..a 5d imp is nothing to living tribunal.

Mxy destroyed the entire DC multiverse - not just one. Rather casually. Then casually recreated the multiverse.

And implied he did this on a weekly basis.

Not to mention, he's crossed over into our plane of reality (as per the comic, lol). Which is far and beyond what LT has done.

For example, this is the scene you refer to, where Mxy is playing with galaxies and destroying the DC universe:

http://imgur.com/a/zyf7S

It does not stop there, however.

Destroys the Earth-2 universe:
http://imgur.com/a/VDBrK

Earth-3 universe:
http://i.imgur.com/BRW79RJ.jpg

Earth-X universe:
http://imgur.com/a/BvOIY

Earth-S universe:
http://imgur.com/a/aL7of

Earth-C universe (note, they have Toonforce powers):
http://i.imgur.com/y4FGje5.jpg

DCAU:
http://imgur.com/a/8EtBE

Frank Miller's DKR universe:
http://imgur.com/a/Xa4eX

Post Crisis DCU:
http://imgur.com/a/OZtZV

The loads of other universes, lol:
http://imgur.com/a/ijRBc

Finally, the Earth-22 universe, and every other universe at the same time.
http://imgur.com/a/ExW84

Then recreates it for next week:
http://imgur.com/a/Hrjhw

Having 2 megaverses...seems a bit trivial in comparison.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Mxy destroyed the entire DC multiverse - not just one. Rather casually. Then casually recreated the multiverse.

And implied he did this on a weekly basis.

Not to mention, he's crossed over into our plane of reality (as per the comic, lol). Which is far and beyond what LT has done.

Destroying the multiverse? Tribunal could do that easily,hell..even eternity could do that...I remember SG hercules recreating the multiverse,celestials also created the multiverse too,reed richards with un destroyed and recreated the multiverse instantly..galactus during his fight with scrier and other nearly wiped out the MU by accident....living tribunal could do that on an hour basis if he wanted....and he could destroy it on a 5d plane too.

She hulk and galactus have also crossed to the real world..she hulk more than once

The fact is..m.xy is 5D..living tribunal is 16D...an astronomical difference in power...he could do to mxy's dimension..what mxy does to the 3D....his purpose however is balance....so unlike mxy..he dosent go around showing off

Originally posted by Genii96
Destroying the multiverse? Tribunal could do that easily,hell..even eternity could do that...I remember SG hercules recreating the multiverse,celestials also created the multiverse too,reed richards with un destroyed and recreated the multiverse instantly..galactus during his fight with scrier and other nearly wiped out the MU by accident....living tribunal could do that on an hour basis if he wanted....and he could destroy it on a 5d plane too.

She hulk and galactus have also crossed to the real world..she hulk more than once

The fact is..m.xy is 5D..living tribunal is 16D...an astronomical difference in power...he could do to mxy's dimension..what mxy does to the 3D....his purpose however is balance....so unlike mxy..he dosent go around showing off

When Herc did it, he only recreated 98% (or whatever it was)...and was depowered.

Mxy CASUALLY did it, and implied he could do it all again, on a weekly basis. All those examples you've named can't do it casually.

THAT'S the difference in feats. You say LT can do it, but if we went by feats, he hasn't.

Not to mention, the use of dimensions as evidence of his superiority means nothing, no matter how many 1000s of comics you have.