Count Dooku vs Darth Maul

Originally posted by quanchi112
He said that due to the fact there shouldn't be anymore than his apprentice which isn't Maul any more.

For a far more limited time and Yoda had to worry about protecting his friends so it wasn't just a straight up fight. Context, kiddo.

False, we know he was his level considering how Maul pressed him and how long the fight took as well as Sheev's own words. Your opinion isn't backed by anything.

Speculation. Windu won. Fact.

I have exp,aimed myself but your inability and need to seek my approval is indeed pathetic.

Moving first gave him the advantage. Clear thinking in a fight which vader allowed to put him at the disadvantage. Yoda also allowed Sheev the high ground so I don't pity the dummy.

False, no match for Sheev are those shitty Jedi masters he killed in under ten seconds. Opress lasted longer. 😂

Windu beat Sheev. 😂

You repeat yourself all over your posts. Maul is faster as evidenced by his slow hand speed from the film fights compared to Maul.

Maul wins.

Or to the fact that maul had savage and was gaining so much power with his crime families trying to usurp control from palpatine.

That's a lie. Yoda showed no such care for them until he brought that pillar down. He was going all out trying to defeat Dooku and Dooku lasted and was able to match his speed. Maul was defeated in 24 seconds. Dooku lasted 13 seconds more. Learn how to actually use context kiddo.

It's backed by how he had assistance from his brother and how Palptine wasn't even trying that entire duel and at the end of the duel he only lasted 24 seconds. Sidious means as a Sith faction not a rival in skill as I've already broken down all the skill barriers and Sidious is better in all by a large margin. Lucas never says anything about him being on his level or anyone else. You take things on of context and then don't understand when someone is lieing.

Prove its speculation. Actually he didn't he got thrown out of a window.

I don't need your approval I just need to make sure we on the same page so we can move on from this topic. You should actually be trying to,seek my approval as I'm better than you at this.

He didn't allow him to he was just placed in certain situations and he actually was able to overcome it to an extent. Anakin would have had a harder time trying,or get to it as he would have had to break the lock with kenobi or try to flip over him taking the risk of getting cut again so the best choice would be to attack him head on.

And Maul. Maul is absolutely no match for Sheev as he was defeated in 24 seconds. Oppress was also dealt with quickly. Savage lasted 19 seconds. So 9 seconds more than the Jedi masters.

Sheev allowed him to win. I've stayed my view on that and you really can't refute them thus you concede and can't chlalenge me unless you bring forth something to,debunk what I've said.

Again maul has nothing that Dooku can't handle. See how he took on Anakin who was moving just just as fast or close enough to what maul and kenobi were doing. Then Dooku was matching yoda in speed blow for blow so no maul isn't faster than Dooku. Then we bring in clone wars feats maul is complelty obliterated. He has no feats to,suggest he can defeat the count as him fighting Sidious he was complelty blown out of the water showing he is no match for Sidious.

Maul has nothing Dooku can't overcome or supersed maul in. He's defintly faster than maul or can keep up. His force powers are far greater. His saber skills are more developed. They are both on neutral ground so no building is going to collapse on them. With all of that Dooku wins the majority.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Or to the fact that maul had savage and was gaining so much power with his crime families trying to usurp control from palpatine.

That's a lie. Yoda showed no such care for them until he brought that pillar down. He was going all out trying to defeat Dooku and Dooku lasted and was able to match his speed. Maul was defeated in 24 seconds. Dooku lasted 13 seconds more. Learn how to actually use context kiddo.

It's backed by how he had assistance from his brother and how Palptine wasn't even trying that entire duel and at the end of the duel he only lasted 24 seconds. Sidious means as a Sith faction not a rival in skill as I've already broken down all the skill barriers and Sidious is better in all by a large margin. Lucas never says anything about him being on his level or anyone else. You take things on of context and then don't understand when someone is lieing.

Prove its speculation. Actually he didn't he got thrown out of a window.

I don't need your approval I just need to make sure we on the same page so we can move on from this topic. You should actually be trying to,seek my approval as I'm better than you at this.

He didn't allow him to he was just placed in certain situations and he actually was able to overcome it to an extent. Anakin would have had a harder time trying,or get to it as he would have had to break the lock with kenobi or try to flip over him taking the risk of getting cut again so the best choice would be to attack him head on.

And Maul. Maul is absolutely no match for Sheev as he was defeated in 24 seconds. Oppress was also dealt with quickly. Savage lasted 19 seconds. So 9 seconds more than the Jedi masters.

Sheev allowed him to win. I've stayed my view on that and you really can't refute them thus you concede and can't chlalenge me unless you bring forth something to,debunk what I've said.

Again maul has nothing that Dooku can't handle. See how he took on Anakin who was moving just just as fast or close enough to what maul and kenobi were doing. Then Dooku was matching yoda in speed blow for blow so no maul isn't faster than Dooku. Then we bring in clone wars feats maul is complelty obliterated. He has no feats to,suggest he can defeat the count as him fighting Sidious he was complelty blown out of the water showing he is no match for Sidious.

Maul has nothing Dooku can't overcome or supersed maul in. He's defintly faster than maul or can keep up. His force powers are far greater. His saber skills are more developed. They are both on neutral ground so no building is going to collapse on them. With all of that Dooku wins the majority.

Maul was not defeated in 24 seconds while Yoda was busy for over fifteen seconds trying to save his weak friends. Dooku fled. Cowardly.

Saying he wasn't even trying it lying. Prove it.

Onus is on you. You have no evidence I do. I win.

So you make excuses like Anakin was doomed. 😂
Glad you agree he's weak to Kenobi. I win.

You're ignoring the entire fight and just focusing on certain parts. Bias. Maul is great.

Anakin wrecked Dooku in rots. It wasn't close. Maul beats either Anakin or Dooku.

Dooku is a lot slower. Watch the damn fights he's in. He isn't anywhere near as quick as Maul.

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So another thread where Quan is wrong and yet again shows us he has no clue about Star wars.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So another thread where Quan is wrong and yet again shows us he has no clue about Star wars.

Maul wins. Your Star Wars knowledge like your comic book knowledge is pure ignorance.

I've forgotten more about Star War than you even currently know. For God's sake for the longest time you didn't even know the clone wars animated series existed. It was hilarious seeing you go to the Star Wars forum (WHERE YOU WERE LITERALLY LAUGHED AWAY FROM THERE. It was hilarious seeing you admit you had no clue all these books were written about Star wars lol) Point is, you know next to nothing about Star Wars and Dooku crushes

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I've forgotten more about Star War than you even currently know. For God's sake for the longest time you didn't even know the clone wars animated series existed. It was hilarious seeing you go to the Star Wars forum (WHERE YOU WERE LITERALLY LAUGHED AWAY FROM THERE. It was hilarious seeing you admit you had no clue all these books were written about Star wars lol) Point is, you know next to nothing about Star Wars and Dooku crushes

Maul wins.

Ps. Remember when you used to beg me for Thanos scans.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Says the guy who frequently misquotes the Lotr books to ineptitude. I am a force and the Star Wars fan base backed down to Khan already. I've already won, boy.

Maul wins.

Ps. Remember when you used to beg me for Thanos scans.

Honestly though do you remember being laughed off the Star Wars forum for being a complete moron? You literally left with your tail between your legs while being laughed at. You were so incompetent about Star Wars, even you could troll the forum. You got owned worse than you do here.

Thanos scans? LMAO. Me asking you for a scan doesn't change people saying I'm a better Thanos fan than you... That is WHAT is really funny

Dooku is considered one of the best swordsmen in the Star Wars verse, no? Dude wrecked the dude who wrecked Maul. Process of elimination.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Nah, you lie.

Maul was not defeated in 24 seconds while Yoda was busy for over fifteen seconds trying to save his weak friends. Dooku fled. Cowardly.

Saying he wasn't even trying it lying. Prove it.

Onus is on you. You have no evidence I do. I win.

So you make excuses like Anakin was doomed. 😂
Glad you agree he's weak to Kenobi. I win.

You're ignoring the entire fight and just focusing on certain parts. Bias. Maul is great.

Anakin wrecked Dooku in rots. It wasn't close. Maul beats either Anakin or Dooku.

Dooku is a lot slower. Watch the damn fights he's in. He isn't anywhere near as quick as Maul.

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I've actually found an interview with Dave filoni where he addresses the duel with Sidious and Maul. He actually gives insight to the quote where Sidious says that maul is now a rival and he says it ties in to the next statement that sidious uses the rule of two principles. He says and I quote "We keep having to deal with this Rule of Two. So no matter what how much fun we have of setting up Ventress or Savage or even maul, at the end of the day, Sidious pulls the trigger and says, "This party is over, because you only get to have two, and you're now a rival". This shows that there is a relationship between the lines sidious use and that the creators meant it as he is a rival faction as he is trying to usurp the rule of two as in this same interview filoni also states that maul is building up this empire to challenge Sidious, he also states in another interview that maul would build this up and he would challenge Sidious. In the interview where he states the rule,of two coeincide he is asked by the interviewer He really does always have the upper hand in that fight. Filoni responds with "And he's enjoying himself when he does." Which by the question of the I terviwer was all the fight. So with that I have debunked your argument for Sidious thinking he was a rival in skill. Also,if he was a rival in skill why did he just let them go when he had maul and savage pinned up against a wall? He could have defeated them there yet he let them go and laughed while he did so. If you say it's speculation prove it?

When he took on Sidious at the end by HIMSLEF he lasted 24 seconds. Re watch the video and time it. if you start it from the moment both pulled out blades than you may get 25 or 26 seconds which I may actually give maul but I will retook and make sure. Dooku still lasted 37 seconds which is still more than 10 seconds longer than how long maul lasted.

Saying he was going all out is a mockery to his skills with a lightsaber. See above in first paragraph. More proof to follow.

And I have no evidence because you say so. I have directly brought events from the movies that prove my point so the argument I don't have evidence is,wrong. So with that you don't win as you really haven't refuted any of my points while I've refuted yours.

I'm not making up excuses I'm looking at the playing field. Kenobi was closr to hill than Anakin and to do so he would have to overcome way to much to where it just didn't seem practical and he most likely wasn't thinking straight due to all his emotional turmoil. Only in your dreams will you agaisnt me.

No I'm being factual. To make it fair for both sides, I took where they both fought one on one. I timed it and that was the conclusion. No we can add to mauls humiliation further by giving him the entire fight in which he couldn't so much as touch Sidious. Sidious wasn't even trying and he still couldn't do anything. So yea dokku did much better as he at least was Abel to keep up with the Ataru frenzy of a 100% all out yoda while maul was pushed back by a not even trying Sidious and had help from his brother. You drastically overestimate mauls abilities.

So? Based on? Maul has no feats or accomplishments to mark him as on their level?

Maul couldn't out manuver Obi wan when he was in a weaker form from AOTC. Dooku took down a much younger and athletic opponent in seconds with extreme ease while maul had trouble with the younger version and got cut in half. So wi that clone wars and movies Dooku was also able to hold off yoda who is much faster than maul. So with that Dooku is defintly faster or can match mauls speed.

Dooku slaughters Maul based off facts.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
I've actually found an interview with Dave filoni where he addresses the duel with Sidious and Maul. He actually gives insight to the quote where Sidious says that maul is now a rival and he says it ties in to the next statement that sidious uses the rule of two principles. He says and I quote "We keep having to deal with this Rule of Two. So no matter what how much fun we have of setting up Ventress or Savage or even maul, at the end of the day, Sidious pulls the trigger and says, "This party is over, because you only get to have two, and you're now a rival". This shows that there is a relationship between the lines sidious use and that the creators meant it as he is a rival faction as he is trying to usurp the rule of two as in this same interview filoni also states that maul is building up this empire to challenge Sidious, he also states in another interview that maul would build this up and he would challenge Sidious. In the interview where he states the rule,of two coeincide he is asked by the interviewer He really does always have the upper hand in that fight. Filoni responds with "And he's enjoying himself when he does." Which by the question of the I terviwer was all the fight. So with that I have debunked your argument for Sidious thinking he was a rival in skill. Also,if he was a rival in skill why did he just let them go when he had maul and savage pinned up against a wall? He could have defeated them there yet he let them go and laughed while he did so. If you say it's speculation prove it?

When he took on Sidious at the end by HIMSLEF he lasted 24 seconds. Re watch the video and time it. if you start it from the moment both pulled out blades than you may get 25 or 26 seconds which I may actually give maul but I will retook and make sure. Dooku still lasted 37 seconds which is still more than 10 seconds longer than how long maul lasted.

Saying he was going all out is a mockery to his skills with a lightsaber. See above in first paragraph. More proof to follow.

And I have no evidence because you say so. I have directly brought events from the movies that prove my point so the argument I don't have evidence is,wrong. So with that you don't win as you really haven't refuted any of my points while I've refuted yours.

I'm not making up excuses I'm looking at the playing field. Kenobi was closr to hill than Anakin and to do so he would have to overcome way to much to where it just didn't seem practical and he most likely wasn't thinking straight due to all his emotional turmoil. Only in your dreams will you agaisnt me.

No I'm being factual. To make it fair for both sides, I took where they both fought one on one. I timed it and that was the conclusion. No we can add to mauls humiliation further by giving him the entire fight in which he couldn't so much as touch Sidious. Sidious wasn't even trying and he still couldn't do anything. So yea dokku did much better as he at least was Abel to keep up with the Ataru frenzy of a 100% all out yoda while maul was pushed back by a not even trying Sidious and had help from his brother. You drastically overestimate mauls abilities.

So? Based on? Maul has no feats or accomplishments to mark him as on their level?

Maul couldn't out manuver Obi wan when he was in a weaker form from AOTC. Dooku took down a much younger and athletic opponent in seconds with extreme ease while maul had trouble with the younger version and got cut in half. So wi that clone wars and movies Dooku was also able to hold off yoda who is much faster than maul. So with that Dooku is defintly faster or can match mauls speed.

Dooku slaughters Maul based off facts.

You dint just time that part of the fight. You time the entire time Sheev took on Maul. 😂

You're ignoring gaps of the fight and the fact Dooku had him tied up and was using force powers to try to attack Yoda's friends.

Maul beat him after that twice. In the clone wars series he had him beat but didn't kill him. 😂

Nah, Maul is faster, deemed a rival by Sheev, is a lot faster based off movements comparing phantom menace to Aotc.

Yes Maul was such a rival he performed..quite poorly against Palpatine, despite having his bro with him.

Oh, and are we just going to pretend the feats from the non 3D version of Clone Wars Dooku do not exist? Or are you going to say tv feats are totally allowed for movie characters, but you get to cherry pick which ones?

You also have this strange habit of bashing other characters for their stupidity whilst forgetting how f*cking stupid Maul's defeat was. If Maul is "still alive" it is only because Palpatine decided to spare him. Why bash a character who outright defeated Maul even though Maul had help? If it is so embarrassing that Palpatine lost to Anakin, then the person who got beat down by Palpatine should probably be even more embarrassed. I'm guessing you have an excuse as to why he shouldn't be though.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Those quotes prove my case. He wouldn't show up and take someone on who wasn't a rival in skill or ambition. Fact is Maul is still alive and Sheev was embarrassingly killed by Anakin.

You dint just time that part of the fight. You time the entire time Sheev took on Maul. 😂

You're ignoring gaps of the fight and the fact Dooku had him tied up and was using force powers to try to attack Yoda's friends.

Maul beat him after that twice. In the clone wars series he had him beat but didn't kill him. 😂

Nah, Maul is faster, deemed a rival by Sheev, is a lot faster based off movements comparing phantom menace to Aotc.

That's really wrong for this case. The principles behind it are correct however who you put in its palace is wrong. If someone is getting to powerful in skill or power Sidious would handle them as he did with talzin. She wasn't more powerful she was gaining more power. Maul gained influence in power. He gained political power. These quotes back me so case closed I win. So if he was a rival in skill why did he lose in 24 seconds? Explain why that matters? If Sidious was still alive maul would shit his pants in the mear presence of Sidious.

Nah as part of that was when he fought savage by HIMSLEF this throwing timing off as maul was KO'd for a while and he had savage assistance so yea I too it when savage was dead and they started clashing blades as I'm looking for how long did maul last by HIMSLEF after savage was dead. So 24 seconds is how long maul lasted.

Yea because I'm using when maul went H2H without assistance. They allowed him to escape but did any of these force powers affect the battle in the slightest no. It would still have been a yoda victory. So him using force powers is irrelevant as he challenged yoda without them they had force powers round than a lightsaber round. Nice try.

Due to force powers. Kenobi had him matched in blade to blade combat even when he savage at his side.

Maul is not on dookus level as he was able to take on the better version of Obi wan and win with ease, than he beat Anakin who went just as fast as maul did in phantom meance, kept up with the world wind of skill that is yoda, and beat kenobi again with ease, then was able to match Anakins strong and fast blows which his form is weak against strong power attacks. Deemed a rival Sith faction as proven by the quotes and how by he was complelty outclassed by Sidious. Rivals can at least compete. Maul was outclassed. Also the defintion of rival is someone competing for the same objective or superiority in a field. Maul wasn't a rival in skill he was a rival Sith faction. I've explained how Dooku is much faster or just as fast as maul. Also TCW also matters as in the OP I said TCW feats are allowed. There Dooku displays his superiority over maul in his feats.

Dooku curbstomps with a 8-9/10

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
That's really wrong for this case. The principles behind it are correct however who you put in its palace is wrong. If someone is getting to powerful in skill or power Sidious would handle them as he did with talzin. She wasn't more powerful she was gaining more power. Maul gained influence in power. He gained political power. These quotes back me so case closed I win. So if he was a rival in skill why did he lose in 24 seconds? Explain why that matters? If Sidious was still alive maul would shit his pants in the mear presence of Sidious.

Nah as part of that was when he fought savage by HIMSLEF this throwing timing off as maul was KO'd for a while and he had savage assistance so yea I too it when savage was dead and they started clashing blades as I'm looking for how long did maul last by HIMSLEF after savage was dead. So 24 seconds is how long maul lasted.

Yea because I'm using when maul went H2H without assistance. They allowed him to escape but did any of these force powers affect the battle in the slightest no. It would still have been a yoda victory. So him using force powers is irrelevant as he challenged yoda without them they had force powers round than a lightsaber round. Nice try.

Due to force powers. Kenobi had him matched in blade to blade combat even when he savage at his side.

Maul is not on dookus level as he was able to take on the better version of Obi wan and win with ease, than he beat Anakin who went just as fast as maul did in phantom meance, kept up with the world wind of skill that is yoda, and beat kenobi again with ease, then was able to match Anakins strong and fast blows which his form is weak against strong power attacks. Deemed a rival Sith faction as proven by the quotes and how by he was complelty outclassed by Sidious. Rivals can at least compete. Maul was outclassed. Also the defintion of rival is someone competing for the same objective or superiority in a field. Maul wasn't a rival in skill he was a rival Sith faction. I've explained how Dooku is much faster or just as fast as maul. Also TCW also matters as in the OP I said TCW feats are allowed. There Dooku displays his superiority over maul in his feats.

Dooku curbstomps with a 8-9/10

Maul got back into the fight very quickly. You can't excuse the entire fight just because you're biased again.

Force powers are a part of combat. Maul matched him saber for saber and maul disarmed him the first time with force powers. They definitely matter. When Sheev uses force powers it's ok but when maul does it doesn't count. Hypocrisy 101.

Vos, dude. Anakin also crushed him. Maul crushes the older, slower geriatric.

No, Dooku doesn't. Maul showed he was far better than Kenobi. Maul also beat Opress far faster than Dooku. Maul wins.

Dooku was some idiot who was taken hostage by Hondo while Maul amassed his own crime powerhouse syndicate.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He used two more allies to offset the power advantage she had. He didn't kill her. He's a coward of the highest regard. The full fight was much longer and you touted the Jedi masters as greater and three of them died in less than 12 seconds.

Maul got back into the fight very quickly. You can't excuse the entire fight just because you're biased again.

Force powers are a part of combat. Maul matched him saber for saber and maul disarmed him the first time with force powers. They definitely matter. When Sheev uses force powers it's ok but when maul does it doesn't count. Hypocrisy 101.

Vos, dude. Anakin also crushed him. Maul crushes the older, slower geriatric.

No, Dooku doesn't. Maul showed he was far better than Kenobi. Maul also beat Opress far faster than Dooku. Maul wins.

Dooku was some idiot who was taken hostage by Hondo while Maul amassed his own crime powerhouse syndicate.

He used it to even the playing field.

According to you no he didn't as you call seconds a long time. Also he didn't get in fast enough to help his brother. I'm not being biased I'm looking for one specific thing as are you and we are looking for how long it did maul fight Sidious when it was just those two. Just accept it that it took 24 seconds to take down your hero.

I didn't day it didn't count. I'm just saying that Sidious disarmed him through sabers while maul did it through the force. He disarmed maul through swordsmanship while maul did it through the force and got disarmed HIMSLEF. I'm not saying that he didn't disarm him not trying to take away form mauls credit I'm just saying Sidious showed he was a superior comabatant while maul left a little elbow room for questioning.

What does vos have to do with anything. Dooku has beaten both Anakin and Vos and he has also beaten Kenobi. Shall I go on on about who Dooku has beaten. The list for maul is much shorter.

Yet he couldn't defeat through lightsaber combat could he if he was far better. If he was far better than he would have beaten him in lightsaber combat. Since Dooku is trying to actually hone his skills of course he's going to last longer. Dooku lasted longer against yoda than maul lasted agaisnt Sidious. 37>24. Dooku slaughters. He has better feats, he's smarter, has more experience, better training, he's better overall, has way better force powers , has more versatility, can match or even out due mauls speed and strenght, can match any sort of physical disability that he has there is really no way I see maul wining. Idk why you and 2 other actually think maul can win but there it is.

Dooku was an intelligent count who decided many and ranks among the best of all time in any era. Maul is just some zabrak from a back water planet and was always a tool without any real meaning. Dooku was essential, maul wasn't.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
He used it to even the playing field.

According to you no he didn't as you call seconds a long time. Also he didn't get in fast enough to help his brother. I'm not being biased I'm looking for one specific thing as are you and we are looking for how long it did maul fight Sidious when it was just those two. Just accept it that it took 24 seconds to take down your hero.

I didn't day it didn't count. I'm just saying that Sidious disarmed him through sabers while maul did it through the force. He disarmed maul through swordsmanship while maul did it through the force and got disarmed HIMSLEF. I'm not saying that he didn't disarm him not trying to take away form mauls credit I'm just saying Sidious showed he was a superior comabatant while maul left a little elbow room for questioning.

What does vos have to do with anything. Dooku has beaten both Anakin and Vos and he has also beaten Kenobi. Shall I go on on about who Dooku has beaten. The list for maul is much shorter.

Yet he couldn't defeat through lightsaber combat could he if he was far better. If he was far better than he would have beaten him in lightsaber combat. Since Dooku is trying to actually hone his skills of course he's going to last longer. Dooku lasted longer against yoda than maul lasted agaisnt Sidious. 37>24. Dooku slaughters. He has better feats, he's smarter, has more experience, better training, he's better overall, has way better force powers , has more versatility, can match or even out due mauls speed and strenght, can match any sort of physical disability that he has there is really no way I see maul wining. Idk why you and 2 other actually think maul can win but there it is.

Dooku was an intelligent count who decided many and ranks among the best of all time in any era. Maul is just some zabrak from a back water planet and was always a tool without any real meaning. Dooku was essential, maul wasn't.

You never look at the entire situation so you change the facts or highlight what you want. That's the way of the biased. Jedi masters were killed in far less that time so Maul>>those Jedi masters.

Sheev came out on top. They are peers. Any given Sunday.

False. Dooku didn't last long against Anakin though. Anakin fights more so like Maul than Yoda who just flips around with his weak little body.

Dooku was a yes man to his unsuspecting death. He played the pawn in life up to his death none the wiser. Maul lived on and say **** you to Sidious. He's weak and needed two more to even the playing field because as we both agree he needs massive help against her.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
3 vs 1 sure did even the playing field. I agree Sheev needed two more to help him put down his superior, Talzin.

You never look at the entire situation so you change the facts or highlight what you want. That's the way of the biased. Jedi masters were killed in far less that time so Maul>>those Jedi masters.

Sheev came out on top. They are peers. Any given Sunday.

False. Dooku didn't last long against Anakin though. Anakin fights more so like Maul than Yoda who just flips around with his weak little body.

Dooku was a yes man to his unsuspecting death. He played the pawn in life up to his death none the wiser. Maul lived on and say **** you to Sidious. He's weak and needed two more to even the playing field because as we both agree he needs massive help against her.

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Amped up talzin vs Dooku and Sidious yea it evened the playing field. Sidious HIMSLEF probably evened it out since neither could overpowered the other then maul gives her energy Dooku jumps in then Grevious finishes.

Why should I when we aren't looking for the entire combat situation only certain aspects of it?

They are stalemates. Did Palptine not fall off the pod and hang on to a railing.

Did you see AOTC where he defeats Anakin and Obi wan in seconds and did you read dark disciple where Dooku defeats vos and Ventress at once and kills Ventress. So yes he has beaten all of them. He also beat Anakin. He also beat Vos and Obi and Ventress and savage. Dooku was qui gons master and could destroy jin much faster than maul can. As seen he has had very little difficulty taking down kenobi when maul couldn't do it when he had assistance with savage while Dooku could do it every day every time.

Maul was a pawn who was Sidious *****. He couldn't do anything and even when he got his mama he still couldn't get passed Sidious. Sidious was doing just fine against Talzin. She couldn't overpower him not the opposite. Maul gave her energy and then Dooku stepped in so it was 2v2 then The two were overpowering her she couldn't ahnfle both at the same time forever telling maul if I let up even for a second I'm done for. Then Grevious comes up to her and she's done. So with that it was a 3v2 however when it was him vs her they were equal however I detest that they are equals due to Dathomir being a nexus that she would draw heavily on more than anyone else being its mother/leader. This would also explain why Ventress was able to defeat general Grevious when in actuality he is better than her which is why he is the general of the droid army of the confederacy of independent systems. Sidious didn't need help from her.

Try again. Dooku wins. You have yet to prove how mauls athleticism which is most likely below dookus would help and you still haven't proved that maul is a better DUELSIT.

Originally posted by EmperorSidious2
Amped up talzin vs Dooku and Sidious yea it evened the playing field. Sidious HIMSLEF probably evened it out since neither could overpowered the other then maul gives her energy Dooku jumps in then Grevious finishes.

Why should I when we aren't looking for the entire combat situation only certain aspects of it?

They are stalemates. Did Palptine not fall off the pod and hang on to a railing.

Did you see AOTC where he defeats Anakin and Obi wan in seconds and did you read dark disciple where Dooku defeats vos and Ventress at once and kills Ventress. So yes he has beaten all of them. He also beat Anakin. He also beat Vos and Obi and Ventress and savage. Dooku was qui gons master and could destroy jin much faster than maul can. As seen he has had very little difficulty taking down kenobi when maul couldn't do it when he had assistance with savage while Dooku could do it every day every time.

Maul was a pawn who was Sidious *****. He couldn't do anything and even when he got his mama he still couldn't get passed Sidious. Sidious was doing just fine against Talzin. She couldn't overpower him not the opposite. Maul gave her energy and then Dooku stepped in so it was 2v2 then The two were overpowering her she couldn't ahnfle both at the same time forever telling maul if I let up even for a second I'm done for. Then Grevious comes up to her and she's done. So with that it was a 3v2 however when it was him vs her they were equal however I detest that they are equals due to Dathomir being a nexus that she would draw heavily on more than anyone else being its mother/leader. This would also explain why Ventress was able to defeat general Grevious when in actuality he is better than her which is why he is the general of the droid army of the confederacy of independent systems. Sidious didn't need help from her.

Try again. Dooku wins. You have yet to prove how mauls athleticism which is most likely below dookus would help and you still haven't proved that maul is a better DUELSIT.

You're timing their battle so you do it from start to finish not highlight certain aspects to avoid certain parts of the story.

Anakin was shit., obi's defensive style is awful against Dooku. Maul doesn't fight like him at all. Dooku conserves his energy with precise movements.

Not post phantom menace. Once Sheev was a pawn to Plagueis. Things change. Sidious took on a weakened Talzin and needed a three on one to stop her.

Maul's offensive style is better suited against Dooku just like in Anakin rots.

Originally posted by quanchi112
There was no amp mentioned in the book. She was weakened. I do agree he needed help to even her power advantage. 👆

You're timing their battle so you do it from start to finish not highlight certain aspects to avoid certain parts of the story.

Anakin was shit., obi's defensive style is awful against Dooku. Maul doesn't fight like him at all. Dooku conserves his energy with precise movements.

Not post phantom menace. Once Sheev was a pawn to Plagueis. Things change. Sidious took on a weakened Talzin and needed a three on one to stop her.

Maul's offensive style is better suited against Dooku just like in Anakin rots.

Doesn't have to be mentioned in the book as Dathomir is a Star Wars place so all evidence would be involved for the planet. So with that yea maul gives her energy essentially making it a 2v1 then Dooku steps in making it a 2v2 and they are beating talzin then Grevious just stabs her.

No I'm looking for a maul vs Sidious speciffacly with no savage oppress even being alive. So,with that it was 24 seconds. Dooku lasted longer against someone who is equal to Sidiosu thus proving his superiority over maul.

Actually if you knew more about the firms you would know that obis form is the a good form against makashi. Soresu is only bad against juyo however no soresu master has ever stated they have had this problem. However you are correct Dooku does conserve his energy that is why he try's to stay away from acrobatics one of the reasons why he hates Ataru.

No he wasn't. What made you think Sheev was a pawn of Plagueis. Sheev was an actual apprentice who Plaguies intended to rule the galaxy together forever with. He taught him everything he knew about the force even going as to teaching him about midiclorian manipulation. She had maul help so dokku made it a 2v2.

Yet Anakin has been defeated by Dooku. Trust me dokku has compensated to an extent agaisnt the weakness of his form. In fact he has researched studied,and knows the weaknesses of all 7 forms thus not making him just a one trick pony. Considering maul isn't refined as Dooku or as Anakin I don't see him breaking through Dookus defense as Dooku has succefukky taken the assaults of Anakin Skywlaker and have beaten him. Maul isn't surprising Dooku with anything. Also Dooku has a massive force advantage over maul so really he could just break through his force sheild if he wanted to. His lightning is even powerful enough to where it hurts maul as seen in Son of Dathomir.

Anybody who picks maul shows: 1. They are a moron and 2. They have no clue of the hierarchy in Star Wars.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Anybody who picks maul shows: 1. They are a moron and 2. They have no clue of the hierarchy in Star Wars.

I'm still waiting on feats from Quan to even suggest that maul can defeat Dooku or even contend.