Vitiate vs RoTS Sidious, Yoda, and Anakin

Started by Selenial4 pages
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Are you seriously telling me you don't know what a Dark Lord of the Sith is? [/B]

The titles were interchangeable during the Sith Empire's reign, Beni. Technically he's not wrong.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

It is the crux of my argument.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLrpBLDWyCI
Once again, these talents are?

1. Yoda is not officially confirmed to be a master of Force Light technique.
2. Sheev is not officially confirmed to be a master of Force Walking technique.
3. Force Light and Force Walking techniques are not officially established as options that are effective against a disembodied threat as powerful, capable, and dangerous as Vitiate.

1. Yoda has has 800 years to study the Force, is Grandmaster of the Jedi Order and described as the greatest champion of the light the dark side has ever known. Several Jedi Knights and Masters under his tenure had mastered this technique, of course he is capable of it.

2. He is a confirmed master of channeling spirits, I merely referred to Force walking as a means of understanding how this technique might work. Fact is though he can channel the power of spirits so he can drain Vitiate's power. 👆

3. And they haven't been established as ineffective either, so why should I care?

Sith Lord.
🙄

This charade has gone on long enough. Go educate yourself:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Lord_of_the_Sith

Originally posted by Selenial
The titles were interchangeable during the Sith Empire's reign, Beni. Technically he's not wrong.
Pretty sure it was clear cut in ancient times.

However technically isn't what I'm getting at here.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLrpBLDWyCI

😬

Originally posted by Beniboybling
1. Yoda has has 800 years to study the Force, is Grandmaster of the Jedi Order and described as the greatest champion of the light the dark side has ever known. Several Jedi Knights and Masters under his tenure had mastered this technique, of course he is capable of it.

It isn't necessary for Master Yoda to be a master of every (Light Side) power known to the Jedi. Even if he is supposed to have knowledge of Force Light power, it's effectiveness against an entity as powerful as Vitiate remains in question or in doubt.

If various possibilities and assumptions are to be considered, then TOR-era Jedi may also have been practitioners of Force Light power since it is an ancient power. They may have used it against Vitiate on planet Ziost, only to find out that it didn't work on such a foe.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
2. He is a confirmed master of channeling spirits, I merely referred to Force walking as a means of understanding how this technique might work. Fact is though he can channel the power of spirits so he can drain Vitiate's power. 👆

I am not sure how you are making a connection between channeling spirits and Force-walking power. We don't even know what channeling spirits implies; not useful in a confrontation, I guess, since Sheev's encounter with spirits on Korriban turned out to be disastrous for him.

"Drain Vitiate's power" is a lame point, energy can be siphoned from spirits but this doesn't compromises them. If some unknown spirits can mortally wound Sidious, imagine what Vitiate can do to him since he destroyed an entire world.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
3. And they haven't been established as ineffective either, so why should I care? 🙄

You need to provide evidence that the referred powers (i.e. Force Light and Force-walking) can be effective against a foe like Vitiate. Otherwise, your argument has no merit.

As I pointed out earlier with an example; if Force-walking power could work on Vitiate, Darth Nox would have attempted this on him. However, authorial intent is different.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
This charade has gone on long enough. Go educate yourself:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Lord_of_the_SithPretty sure it was clear cut in ancient times.

However technically isn't what I'm getting at here.


Sith Lord can be a Darth or the Emperor.

As an example, Darth Sidious is a Sith Lord.

Legend, can I get that page number of that quote in Gamer 5? Because I'm not seeing it.

You can't win a "debate" with someone who refuses to believe anyone and anything can defeat Vitiate.

I strongly suggest not bothering to reply to him anymore, just sit back and lol at his bias and poor grasp of the English language.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Legend, can I get that page number of that quote in Gamer 5? Because I'm not seeing it.

I noticed the citation on Wookieepedia. I am trying to access this source, but so far not have been able to. I will look into it, if I get the chance, and alert you.

Originally posted by Trocity
You can't win a "debate" with someone who refuses to believe anyone and anything can defeat Vitiate.

I strongly suggest not bothering to reply to him anymore, just sit back and lol at his bias and poor grasp of the English language.

"Never argue with stupid people, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." - Mark Twain

Or if you prefer things in meme form...

LOL!

The meme description is f***ing perfect.

Originally posted by Trocity
You can't win a "debate" with someone who refuses to believe anyone and anything can defeat Vitiate.

Red herring.

If winning the debate is the objective, then I am at liberty to make such an effort as well. Or you assume that only other members are at liberty to win in debates with me? 🙄

Originally posted by Trocity
I strongly suggest not bothering to reply to him anymore, just sit back and lol at his bias and poor grasp of the English language.

Unlike you, Beni is a debater and will likely remain so. Whether we reach an understanding on this debate or not, we at-least had a debate. This is better then trolling and insulting others.

If you find my poor grasp of English language offensive, nobody is forcing you to respond to my posts.

Originally posted by Selenial
"Never argue with stupid people, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." - Mark Twain

Or if you prefer things in meme form...


Another red herring.

For hypothetical scenarios, we make assumptions. We may never know how a confrontation between Vitiate and Sheev and/or Yoda may turn out at official capacity. Vitiate might smoke them or not.

So assuming that fans of Sheev/Yoda are sane and always correct but others are stupid, is really pathetic.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I noticed the citation on Wookieepedia. I am trying to access this source, but so far not have been able to. I will look into it, if I get the chance, and alert you.

I have the source, I don't see that quote though. All the article talks about is Palpatine's Hands.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This is better then trolling and insulting others.

than*

Would you like some lessons? I won't charge you much.

LeGenD is a true legend.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Proof that Vitiate knows the Force storm technique? You can't just (erroneously) equate Vitiate with DE Sidious and then ascribe him his abilities.

Secondly on what basis are you assumi�ng Vitiate's Force drain will be effective against them?

P.S. Yoda should be able to use Force light to purge Anakin of the Emperor's influence, assumi�ng he's strong enough to dominate him, which is speculation.

I made no such claim, please read the entire conversation.

On what basis can you claim it would be ineffective? It's a drain as powerful as that displayed by Nihilus, unless you are going to claim Yoda is more powerful than hundreds of Jedi Masters combined, you have no basis.

Force light which we've never seen him use nevermind master, Anakin's power is irrelevant, his willpower however is the game changer.

Originally posted by Stigma
LeGenD is a true legend.
Irony.

With his incorporeal status, Force Drain, telepathy, possession and Monoliths i think spirit Vitiate is only defeated by the likes of DE Sidious and FOTJ Luke.