Originally posted by Deronn_solo
- Nanosecond reaction timing is more than fast enough to tag Goku.- Moon splitting/Planetoids shattering/Punching human sized bodies from Earth to the Sun, is more than enough to suggest he has superior striking feats to Goku.
- Tanking two planets colliding with each other and a Nova is enough to suggest he has superior durability to Son.
With that said, if you're the same RealityWarper from CV - this debate will most likely not be prosperous.
More lies. Also, he was knocked out from two planets colliding. A YELLOW sun exploded. His freaking power source. It's like Flash getting killed from the speed force.
Scans of moon splitting. Also, Roshi has destroyed a moon. Lol...punching someone in a area that doesn't have gravity some far distance is impressive?
I really don't know why there are still people arguing this.
Goku is now at a level where his fights can threaten the integrity of the universe he is in. I can't actually think of a single base Superman feat like that. He is able to withstand punches from Beerus, who can casually shatter planets with a single strike.
Goku would beat Superman, and it wouldn't even be close.
Originally posted by NemeBro
I really don't know why there are still people arguing this.Goku is now at a level where his fights can threaten the integrity of the universe he is in. I can't actually think of a single base Superman feat like that. He is able to withstand punches from Beerus, who can casually shatter planets with a single strike.
Goku would beat Superman, and it wouldn't even be close.
A one off shared fest that has never been repeated since hsrdly even counts as a one off.
On average, Goku's been hurt by much, much less then even planetary level force.
And Superman hss more then a single instance of surviving universe level power.
Originally posted by cdtm
The kind that jogs the memory and recalls Batman beating Hulk. 😉
That's right. This happened.
Originally posted by cdtm
Superman lifted infinity (The book of infinite pages) and eternity (Spectre). Two examples of displaying infinite strength.He also moved faster then a nanosecond, something no Dragon Ball characters ever done (Not calculated as such, by in story statements or fan calcs.)
That, on the other hand, is complete bullshit.
No one care about the lifting strength, it's not a valuable argument for a fight and Superman combat speed sucks, he is slower thant street levelers. He is a punching bag.
Originally posted by cdtm
Superman lifted infinity (The book of infinite pages) and eternity (Spectre). Two examples of displaying infinite strength.He also moved faster then a nanosecond, something no Dragon Ball characters ever done (Not calculated as such, by in story statements or fan calcs.)
Why do you keep conjuring up this thread. The book doesn't weigh infinity. In the same book, pages after this showing, it took the combination of Supermen and other strong men, including Superman to lift a space ship the size of a city and they were failing.
Never moved faster than a nano second.
Originally posted by cdtm
Old man Carver's losing his memory. You've seen scans of him moving faster then nanoseconds. 😆The book was said to have infinite pages.
And there's no twisting the fact Spectre weighed as much as eternity, as was clearly stated.
Please post these scans.
It's a magical book that was held on a stone pallet. The book doesn't weigh infinite.
The Spectre doesn't weigh Eternity and even if he did, Wonder Woman and Superman didn't lift him.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Forum superman.-He has casually sped through timestop tech.
-Matched an out of control barry and wally.
-Casually matched professor zoom's speed with the latter admitting it.
-Made people like jay garrick and power girl look frozen.
-Matched barry and wally's speed by entering darkseid's dimension/singularity when both had to go 'faster than they've ever gone before' to get into it themselves. The same singularity that kept even high level green laterns out; no matter how fast they went, they were stuck in a timeloop. So superman is immensely faster than beings that regularly travel from the center of the universe (Oa) to the fringes. So much faster that he can power through timeloops that they can't.
-And just recently matched a new and improved wally.
The difference between max speed supes and max speed flash is a matter of percentages, not multiples.
I said before if barry and wally are cheetahs, supes is a lion.
And nobody is arguing Goku is faster then f'n FLASH, i trust?
Originally posted by cdtm
And nobody is arguing Goku is faster then f'n FLASH, i trust?
I was going to respond to that post when he posted it but I left it alone.
1. We already discussed the time stop scene.
2. When did he match an out of control Barry and Wally? Also, wouldn't mind control hinder them? .
3. Never matched Professor Zoom. He did tag him though and received a compliment but everyone tagged him, including Diana and a Lantern.
4. Jay and Powergirl wasn't moving at super speed when that happened. Superman was. Of course if someone is fighting at normal speeds, they would look slow to someone who is using super speed.
5. Never happened.
6. He didn't match a new and improved Flash. Superman asked to race and the new Flash said he didn't want too. He tries to talk to Superman and Superman is still racing so Flash sped up and jumped n front of him. Superman then admits Flash is faster.
Originally posted by cdtm
Goku wouldn't even be able to keep up with the slowest Flash. By every measure, he's much too slow for Superman.
The travel speed is irrelevant. It doesn't matter, it's not a race.
Flash couldn't keep-up in combat with Goku, not even touch him.
Flash is tagged by a giant gorilla ffs...
Honestly, this whole things a farce.
It's a fact that Goku was shot with a common laser. It's also a fact Krillin was shot with a gun.
We can determine that Dragon Ball characters are not "super" all the time. They need to actively switch on their powers.
Nothing in this thread stipulates Goku begins in a transformered or power up state. Therefore, he is at base level, and initially depowered.
Superman does not need to switch his powers on. His strength, durability, senses, and most importantly speed are always in the "on" position.
Therefore, Superman simply uses his innate super speed to KO Goku well before he can even power up.
Game. Set. Match.
Originally posted by cdtm
Honestly, this whole things a farce.It's a fact that Goku was shot with a common laser. It's also a fact Krillin was shot with a gun.
We can determine that Dragon Ball characters are not "super" all the time. They need to actively switch on their powers.
Nothing in this thread stipulates Goku begins in a transformered or power up state. Therefore, he is at base level, and initially depowered.
Superman does not need to switch his powers on. His strength, durability, senses, and most importantly speed are always in the "on" position.
Therefore, Superman simply uses his innate super speed to KO Goku well before he can even power up.
Game. Set. Match.
Keep igmoring the context 😂
Superman isn't fast enough to touch Goku in base form.
Now I am almost certain that you have never read Dragon Ball.