Originally posted by RealityWarperGoku can't lift more than 1000 tons, Superman is into the quadrillions of tons.
No, he doesn't and your feelings for the character have nothing to do with the debate.
That's a higher strength gap than a human and an ant... There is no argument to be made here. Superman is also much faster and has actual reaction feats, not implied ones.
Originally posted by Henry_Pym ]Goku can't lift more than 1000 tons, Superman is into the quadrillions of tons.
The lifting strength and the striking power are two different things.
Goku hit way harder and tank attacks on another magnitude than Superman.
That's a higher strength gap than a human and an ant...
Unfortunately the only way for Superman to make his lifting/grappling strength prevail is to catch Goku which is near impossible because Goku is way faster, more skilled, hit harder and use Ki-based attacks which Supes is vulnerable to.
There is no argument to be made here. Superman is also much faster and has actual reaction feats, not implied ones.
Superman is constantly hit by slow bricks and has similar combat speed.
Goku will destroy him.
Originally posted by RealityWarperno... No they aren't. Please train an ant that can destroy a human boxer and we will talk.
The lifting strength and the striking power are two different things.Goku hit way harder and tank attacks on another magnitude than Superman.
Unfortunately the only way for Superman to make his lifting/grappling strength prevail is to catch Goku which is near impossible because Goku is way faster, more skilled, hit harder and use Ki-based attacks which Supes is vulnerable to.
Superman is constantly hit by slow bricks and has similar combat speed.
Goku will destroy him.
No he doesn't, and your desperately clutching to using the Superman bound by his reality vs a peak Goku.
Why would Superman be vulnerable to Ki? It's weaponized life force, Superman can literally nap in the cold of Space, the heat of a star and the force of a black hole. That is orders of magnitude stronger than anything Goku has outputted or tanked.
Goku was hit by a casually chucked rock while powered up in the Cell saga... See how lowballing works?
Superman could literally just stand there, his best is way above Goku's best.
Originally posted by Henry_Pym
[B]no... No they aren't. Please train an ant that can destroy a human boxer and we will talk.
Yes.
Striking power and lifting strength aren't related.
In fact lifting strength is literally the opposite:
Educate yourself and get over it.
No he doesn't, and your desperately clutching to using the Superman bound by his reality vs a peak Goku.
Against a peak Goku ?
Man, Goku stomps Superman without trying in his base form...
Why would Superman be vulnerable to Ki?
Because he is.
I have posted at least ten times in that thread Superman being one-shotted by Sakki weak KI-attack and Superman being explicitly vulnerable/weak to Ki from The Question.
It's weaponized life force, Superman can literally nap in the cold of Space, the heat of a star and the force of a black hole. That is orders of magnitude stronger than anything Goku has outputted or tanked.
Those feats against environmental damages have no weight in that debate. Superman is still hurt by punches and weapons.
Goku was hit by a casually chucked rock while powered up in the Cell saga... See how lowballing works?
I'm not lowballing.
Comical scenes are pointless to quote. Chichi can't hurt Goku even she is showed one-shotting him in comical scenes.
Superman could literally just stand there, his best is way above Goku's best.
You should stop believing Screwattack as an accurate source.
Goku one-shot Superman in one hit.
Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Superman is more than a billion times stronger, show me any real world technique that can overcome that gap or shut up.
Goku can one-shot him.
This question has been answered at least 20 times in that thread in the previous pages.
Don't tell me to shut up.
If you don't have anything more than acting like a douchebag just get lost.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
I find it awesome how you are skipping the fact that Son Goku was empty in KI when this happened...Superman being empty in Solar Energy is nothing much than an human.
Everytime I read a claim in Superman's favour I am hit by the double standards.
Fun fact:
If Superman and Son Goku are both depowered, Son Goku will destroy Superman effortlessly.
If both are at full power, Son Goku destroys Superman effortlessly.
This is current Superman
[B]His fight against Sakki shows that Superman can't endure WEAK KI-ATTACKS.
It is safe to say that Krilin can solo the Justice League effortlessly. [/B]
Your post are FLAMING. That means when backed in a corner of LOSING a debate you resort to posting scans of supes losing, but don't show the end result! You post with no real evidence or facts to back up your claim of goku beating a person that flies through a red sun, but you believe a simple ki blast that doesn't even come close to being as hot as lava or worse the core of planet earth( supes can take it!). And we know supes can go through the earth unharmed. Magic goku doesn't possess, because supes is like him, they both have life force. So ensure everybody by posting scans of supes losing fairly?! Goku' strikes will be ineffective. Remember the threat supes made to black Adam years ago?! He casually breaks moons. He can take just as much as he can deliver. AND NO you can't prove why goku can magically handle temps greater than the sun. AND NO you can't prove how goku can take absolute zero (they catch colds!). AND NO you can't prove why vegeta died from the earth exploding but expect us to believe that their ok attacks are greater. Roshi deflect bullets, so what. Supes is beyond that. What's goku's top speed in the air?!😮 Supes will catch him. You leave LAST flaming, but left disappointed because nobody believes the fantasy world (only can lift a planet casually!) you put supes in when up against goku. PERIOD. Care to share how fast goku movement speed really is?! It's in the show for you, you just deny it. Not quick enough -you rob- for supes.
Originally posted by carver9Still sad Vegeta on panel can't lift a pathetic 1,000 tons? Kinda lowers durability scaling to Wonder man/Colossus levels. Goku can't lift 1/25th of the statue of liberty, Superman could casually bench press Manhattan.
😂 😂
And no out of context scans are going to help the argument.
Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Still sad Vegeta on panel can't lift a pathetic 1,000 tons? Kinda lowers durability scaling to Wonder man/Colossus levels. Goku can't lift 1/25th of the statue of liberty, Superman could casually bench press Manhattan.And no out of context scans are going to help the argument.
He couldn't move a being that was more powerful than him during the time. An example of this is Superman wailing on Starbreaker and not budging him...
Starbreaker weighs 350 pounds.