Goku vs Superman Death Battle-Discuss

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Try to understand this. Superman is about to lift infinity and he asks you to help him do it. You put everything you got into it, you know you can lift about 250 lb. So how many % out of infinity did you lift? You surely did put enough force into it to lift 250lb.

I see what you're getting at. Essentially, this is assuming Superman did ALL the work, and Captain Marvel or Wonder Woman gave all the help of a 3 year old trying to help a full grown man push aside a fridge, and his father indulging him.

But that's a pretty shaky assumption, given Cap and WW are powerhouses in their own right. You could as easily argue they could have lifted that book themselves.

Well Supes is above them and if could only be one to do it they'd best pick Supes. But yeah the intent seems to be the superpowered beings combined their strengths to lift infinity. Somehow.

This is why I don't read comics. That and I've always been eh on the art of a lot of them.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Let's say you lift 1000 tons out of infinity, sure you struggle, and the other person lifts the rest of infinity, how much did you lift?

Finite numbers don't make up infinity. Infinite numbers make up infinity. Imagine the biggest number you know, and multiply that by itself, and infinity is still INFINITELY larger than it.

There is no such thing as, "1000 tons out of infinity". 100% of infinity is infinite. 0.000000000000000000000000000000001% of infinity IS INFINITE. That is the nature of infinity. It is immeasurable.

Meaning that since Shazam lifted the same thing as Superman did, he is equally as strong as Superman, which has always been fairly true. But that also means that they lifted a finite weight, as Wonder Woman is stronger Shazam.

Either Shazam is equally as strong as Superman, and Wonder Woman is stronger than both of them, and can lift MORE than infinite weight, OR NEITHER LIFTED INFINITE WEIGHT.

The correct answer is the latter.

Lifting half of infinity=infinity but if you BARELY lift it then you arent even in the Infinity strength class.

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
Lifting half of infinity=infinity but if you BARELY lift it then you arent even in the Infinity strength class.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
What

Originally posted by AuraAngel
I won't be lifting 250 pounds. I'd be lifting infinite pounds. Supes also won't be lifting infinity-250 pounds but lifting infinite pounds.

No, you lifted 250 pounds. You just aren't lifting any percentage of the weight.

Why are you guys arguing super dubious strength feats. One was a magical book in which we could see its form thus not infinite and the earth held up Spector so, lol infinite strength earth...

Superman is in real feats massively stronger than anyone in dbz to the point he can lift more than they could destroy and destroy as much as they can destroy with his beams.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Why are you guys arguing super dubious strength feats. One was a magical book in which we could see its form thus not infinite and the earth held up Spector so, lol infinite strength earth...

Superman is in real feats massively stronger than anyone in dbz to the point he can lift more than they could destroy and destroy as much as they can destroy with his beams.

This is a very good post.

Originally posted by ares834
No, you lifted 250 pounds. You just aren't lifting any percentage of the weight.

You most certainly did lift a percentage of infinity lol.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Why are you guys arguing super dubious strength feats. One was a magical book in which we could see its form thus not infinite and the earth held up Spector so, lol infinite strength earth...

Superman is in real feats massively stronger than anyone in dbz to the point he can lift more than they could destroy and destroy as much as they can destroy with his beams.

Idk why either.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
You most certainly did lift a percentage of infinity lol.

No. Lol

Any real finite number divided by infinity is 0.

Edit: Technically it "approaches" to 0 and you can't really divide by infinity as it's not a number. But I digress.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Finite numbers don't make up infinity. Infinite numbers make up infinity. Imagine the biggest number you know, and multiply that by itself, and infinity is still INFINITELY larger than it.

There is no such thing as, "1000 tons out of infinity". 100% of infinity is infinite. 0.000000000000000000000000000000001% of infinity [B]IS INFINITE. That is the nature of infinity. It is immeasurable.

Meaning that since Shazam lifted the same thing as Superman did, he is equally as strong as Superman, which has always been fairly true. But that also means that they lifted a finite weight, as Wonder Woman is stronger Shazam.

Either Shazam is equally as strong as Superman, and Wonder Woman is stronger than both of them, and can lift MORE than infinite weight, OR NEITHER LIFTED INFINITE WEIGHT.

The correct answer is the latter. [/B]

dur

According to the writer and the on panel feat Superman lifted infinite weight. Fact.

Denial won't help you. Though according to your understanding of my post everything starts to make sense.

Oh and all chars of the db universe together wouldn't be able to even move this book.

We're not dividing anything by infinity. We're dividing infinity by two in this case.

Take a 100 pound object. Two people pulling equal weight on either side are carrying 50 pounds each.

Now take the same object that weighs 100 pounds and let two people carrying it with one clearly much weaker than the other. The weight is still divided evenly but in this case on of them has to account for more than the other. Divide it by, say, 1.6(the point six representing the weaker man). This shows more or less the amount the stronger man would have to move while also showing how much the weaker man would have to move(subtracting it from 100 yields the result).

Infinity doesn't work that way. Infinity divided amongst 2 people, 5, people, 1.000000000000000000001 people would still result in infinity. That is the inherent nature of the number. One can't simply lift 250 pounds of infinity because infinity cannot be subtracted from nor evenly divided. Especially not in any particular quantifiable way.

I mean it's a fine feat. Lifting infinity, even with "help", is a pretty cool thing to do. Also fits the theme of a no limits character. In terms of hard math it falls short because the inherent nature of the number involved. I don't see why this one feat deserves so much focus when Supes has a) really good strength feats with solid numbers and b) it is a physical impossibility that is grounded in theory(like destroying a hole in dimensions and holding up the sky).

I'm dividing by infinity to show you that a person could be lifting weight while simultaneously lifting 0% of it. But we will go with your way instead (although rather than divide by the number I'm going to multiply by the reciprocal).

So lets look at your examples. First the evenly distributed load: 100x(1/2)=50. Second the not evenly distributed load where one man is carrying 5/8ths and the other 3/8ths: 100x(5/8)=62.5

Ok so, lets return to my original point that CM or WW or even you (whichever case you want) potentially aren't lifting any "portion" of the book/specter so effectively they are lifting 0% of it.

Infinity x 0 equals what? It's indeterminate, IE it could be basically anything be that 0 or 250 or infinity. If you want to return to the divided by their portion you would get infinity/infinity which comes out to the same result (I'm dividing by zero as they are lifting an infinitesimally small portion of the weight). What this does show us though is they could still be lifting something but it's not infinite weight instead it's a real number.

And yes, it's an absurd feat to use. I've already said that. I'm just pointing out why your math is wrong.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
We're not dividing anything by infinity. We're dividing infinity by two in this case.

Take a 100 pound object. Two people pulling equal weight on either side are carrying 50 pounds each.

Now take the same object that weighs 100 pounds and let two people carrying it with one clearly much weaker than the other. The weight is still divided evenly but in this case on of them has to account for more than the other. Divide it by, say, 1.6(the point six representing the weaker man). This shows more or less the amount the stronger man would have to move while also showing how much the weaker man would have to move(subtracting it from 100 yields the result).

Infinity doesn't work that way. Infinity divided amongst 2 people, 5, people, 1.000000000000000000001 people would still result in infinity. That is the inherent nature of the number. One can't simply lift 250 pounds of infinity because infinity cannot be subtracted from nor evenly divided. Especially not in any particular quantifiable way.

I mean it's a fine feat. Lifting infinity, even with "help", is a pretty cool thing to do. Also fits the theme of a no limits character. In terms of hard math it falls short because the inherent nature of the number involved. I don't see why this one feat deserves so much focus when Supes has a) really good strength feats with solid numbers and b) it is a physical impossibility that is grounded in theory(like destroying a hole in dimensions and holding up the sky).

if two people lift infinity and one contributes 250 lb worth of force and the other an infinite amount of force it doesn't mean thatthe 250 guy has infinite strength. He lifted 250 out of infinity which is as good as zero, lim --> infinity, 250/x...

For your example, infinity/(a+b) = infinity. a=250, b=infinity

Your second point is wrong.

Originally posted by ares834
Your second point is wrong.

No. Infinity is not a number 😉. But pls enlighten me what you would put there as a result? 1? Or 0?

Like I said in the post above you, infinity / infinity is indeterminate. It could be infinity it could be 1 or it could be a different number all together. We would need more information to find the solution.

Also, Aura wasn't dividing by what they lifted but rather dividing by the reciprical of the percentage they lifted.

Originally posted by ares834
Like I said in the post above you, infinity / infinity is indeterminate. It could be infinity it could be 1 or it could be a different number all together. We would need more information to find the solution.

Also, Aura wasn't dividing by what they lifted but rather dividing by the reciprical of the percentage they lifted.

I do still not understand how you jump from could be to wrong.

Ok, give him a percentage. Infinity/[(250/infinity)+infinity]

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
I do still not understand how you jump from could be to wrong.

Because that's how it works. If you don't have enough information then you can't say definitively it's a specific number.