Tulak Hord, Karness Muur and Tenebrous vs. Vitiate

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Stigma Herald of the Judgement

Tulak Hord, Karness Muur and Tenebrous vs. Vitiate

* All at their peak
* No spirit Vitiate

Setting: Jabba's palace

Who wins?

Emperordmb LSDMB

I'm thinking the team wins this one.

SunRazer Back From The Dead

Yeah, the team wins. Vitiate was genuinely wary/afraid of the ancient Sith - he's not taking down two of their best at once on top of Tenebrous, a considerably skilful practitioner of the Force.

Sinious Yo Da Best

Well they're featless but if we're taking pure hype into account now, then yeah the team wins.

Emperordmb LSDMB

Tenebrous isn't featless, and Murr's pretty impressive in Legacy IIRC

SunRazer Back From The Dead

The team isn't featless at all, lol.

ChaosTheory123 Bored with sanity

I'd swear some people don't even know what "featless" even means with how wantonly they throw it around :hmm

Sinious Yo Da Best

Meh I wasn't talking about Murr but the other 2. What feats does Tenebrous have to suggest he isn't getting one-shot along with Hord?

Selenial I Choose Violence

Muur would feasibly give him a good fight. Adding two more is overkill.

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Nephthys The Gr8est!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Selenial
Hord would feasibly give him a good fight. Adding two more is overkill.

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Beniboybling Worst Member

Originally posted by Sinious
Meh I wasn't talking about Murr but the other 2. What feats does Tenebrous have to suggest he isn't getting one-shot along with Hord?
What feats does Vitiate have to suggest he can one-shot Hord and Tenebrous?

SunRazer Back From The Dead
Originally posted by Sinious
Meh I wasn't talking about Murr but the other 2. What feats does Tenebrous have to suggest he isn't getting one-shot along with Hord?

Nobody proves negatives - it's up to you to prove the point.

Based on what does Vitiate one-shot Tenebrous and Hord, especially considering he's wary of the latter's power?

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by Beniboybling
What feats does Vitiate have to suggest he can one-shot Hord and Tenebrous?

One-shotting a Dark Council?

SunRazer Back From The Dead

Which he's never done in combative circumstances/without the semblance or possibility of prep.

And based on what do those Dark Council Members even remotely approach Tenebrous and Hord? Being the most powerful Sith of their time doesn't make them comparable to Tenebrous or Hord, either, who are some of the absolute top-tiers in SW history.

Beniboybling Worst Member

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
One-shotting a Dark Council?
I wasn't asking you.

But Moonraker is correct, he doesn't even have the right weather conditions. 👆

Sinious Yo Da Best

Originally posted by SunRazer
Nobody proves negatives - it's up to you to prove the point.

Based on what does Vitiate one-shot Tenebrous and Hord, especially considering he's wary of the latter's power?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
What feats does Vitiate have to suggest he can one-shot Hord and Tenebrous?

First of all, I don't believe Vitiate can win this but if I were to insist on comparing feats and see who is superior(Which is what the majority of people do here), Vitiate would win imo.

Well, Vitiate one-shot Revan, a force user who actually has impressive tutaminis feats. So now you have to prove how Tenebrous and and Hord has superior force defenses to Revan. 🙂

Oh btw, that was Novel Vitiate and this is a more powerful and experienced version of that character. 👆

Not to mention everything Hord has going for him lacks context so if we are to take his accomplishments and hype into account, then its only fair that we do the same with Vitiate and therefor I can easily bring up his council one-shotting feat like Legend has.

Beniboybling Worst Member

Originally posted by Sinious
First of all, I don't believe Vitiate can win this but if I were to insist on comparing feats and see who is superior(Which is what the majority of people do here), Vitiate would win imo.
I don't think anyone here is doubting that Vitiate is superior to any one member of the group, but collectively the only way his winning superiority could be proven is by pretending that an absence of feats actually means something. It does not.
Well, Vitiate one-shot Revan, a force user who actually has impressive tutaminis feats. So now you have to prove how Tenebrous and and Hord has superior force defenses to Revan. 🙂
I wouldn't say he one shot him, more forced in into a contest of raw power which obviously he could not win. With three opponents to deal with Vitiate will be realistically unable to keep up that kind of pressure.
Oh btw, that was Novel Vitiate and this is a more powerful and experienced version of that character. 👆
You mean nexus-Vitiate.
Not to mention everything Hord has going for him lacks context so if we are to take his accomplishments and hype into account, then its only fair that we do the same with Vitiate and therefor I can easily bring up his council one-shotting feat like Legend has.
Unless your suggesting we ignore contexts then your in the same boat as Legend i.e. addressing the following:
Originally posted by SunRazer
Which he's never done in combative circumstances/without the semblance or possibility of prep.

And based on what do those Dark Council Members even remotely approach Tenebrous and Hord? Being the most powerful Sith of their time doesn't make them comparable to Tenebrous or Hord, either, who are some of the absolute top-tiers in SW history.

👆

Unbowed Senior Member

Tenebrous watches as Hord defeats Vitiate by himself and then Muur turns him into a Rakghoul

Sinious Yo Da Best

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I don't think anyone here is doubting that Vitiate is superior to any one member of the group, but collectively the only way his winning superiority could be proven is by pretending that an absence of feats actually means something. It does not.

Which is why I said team wins. 👆
I wouldn't say he one shot him, more forced in into a contest of raw power which obviously he could not win. With three opponents to deal with Vitiate will be realistically unable to keep up that kind of pressure.

But again, this is pure assumption and people aren't this generous to other characters. For example, why does SunRazer believe that Hord and Tenebrous are top level when they have no feats to suggest that yet he puts someone like Darth Bane in low tier?
You mean nexus-Vitiate.
You're bringing up nexus amp in a thread where you're defending featless characters. 🤣
Unless your suggesting we ignore contexts then your in the same boat as Legend i.e. addressing the following: 👆
He is simply assuming things. The true answer is, Vitiate's Council one-shotting feat lacks context and the same could be said for Hord's accomplishments.

I can easily ask the same thing. Based on what do Hord and Tenebrous even remotely approach an entire Dark Council?

S_W_LeGenD Senior Member

Originally posted by SunRazer
Which he's never done in combative circumstances/without the semblance or possibility of prep.

Vitiate attacked the Dark Council that assembled and arrived on his place to assassinate him. This is combative circumstances.

Also, what kind of 'preparation' are you implying?

Originally posted by SunRazer
And based on what do those Dark Council Members even remotely approach Tenebrous and Hord? Being the most powerful Sith of their time doesn't make them comparable to Tenebrous or Hord, either, who are some of the absolute top-tiers in SW history.

Dark Council comprises of 12 Darth(s). Had Vitiate not existed, some members of the Dark Council had the potential to become Emperors.