Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Vitiate have defeated larger Strike Teams. He would also have overwhelmed the Strike Team of Revan, Meetra Surik and Lord Scourge.
"Scourge realised that if she had aimed at the emperor instead of the blade, she could have ended his life even as he ended Revan's. But her instincts to save her friend overrode her desire to kill her enemy."
I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of you being wrong.
Originally posted by SiniousI fail to see how I should be beholden to other people's opinions.
But again, this is pure assumption and people aren't this generous to other characters. For example, why does SunRazer believe that Hord and Tenebrous are top level when they have no feats to suggest that yet he puts someone like Darth Bane in low tier?
You're also confusing assumptions with logical reasoning, you don't always need empirical evidence to prove something.
You're bringing up nexus amp in a thread where you're defending featless characters. 🤣😬 Problem?
He is simply assuming things. The true answer is, Vitiate's Council one-shotting feat lacks context and the same could be said for Hord's accomplishments.I disagree. The fact that the majority of Vitiate's feats are well documented and described, indicates that this feat is deliberately vague and therefore cannot be taken from granted or at face value. Hord's feats lack contexts simply because those contexts or rather the era itself hasn't been explored, not to imply extenuating circumstances (which never are) - the information is merely second hand.
Simply put we have no reason not to take them at face value, bar an element of embellishment on Khem Val's part, and if we do it's obvious Tulak Hord was incredibly powerful.
On the topic of Vitiate's feat however if we're to assume Chekhov's gun then the fact that it is noted to take place during a "violent tempest" indicates it was likely some kind of alter environment feat i.e. Force enhanced lightning, which would explain the flash of light.
Naturally he won't have that advantage in Jabba's Palace.
I can easily ask the same thing. Based on what do Hord and Tenebrous even remotely approach an entire Dark Council?Based on what did Revan? The Hero of Tython? Tol Braga? You're assuming that Vitiate can obliterate anyone equal to and beneath the combined might of an entire Dark Council in an instant, and yet he has never since replicated this.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDBecause larger means intrinsically more powerful. 🙄
Vitiate have defeated larger Strike Teams. He would also have overwhelmed the Strike Team of Revan, Meetra Surik and Lord Scourge.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
I fail to see how I should be beholden to other people's opinions.You're also confusing assumptions with logical reasoning, you don't always need empirical evidence to prove something.
😬 Problem?
I disagree. The fact that the majority of Vitiate's feats are well documented and described, indicates that this feat is deliberately vague and therefore cannot be taken from granted or at face value. Hord's feats lack contexts simply because those contexts or rather the era itself hasn't been explored, not to imply extenuating circumstances (which never are) - the information is merely second hand.Simply put we have no reason not to take them at face value, bar an element of embellishment on Khem Val's part, and if we do it's obvious Tulak Hord was incredibly powerful.
On the topic of Vitiate's feat however if we're to assume Chekhov's gun then the fact that it is noted to take place during a "violent tempest" indicates it was likely some kind of alter environment feat i.e. Force enhanced lightning, which would explain the flash of light.
Naturally he won't have that advantage in Jabba's Palace.
Well they're featless but if we're taking pure hype into account now, then yeah the team wins.
Based on what did Revan? The Hero of Tython? Tol Braga? You're assuming that Vitiate can obliterate anyone equal to and beneath the combined might of an entire Dark Council in an instant, and yet he has never since replicated this.
Btw, I've in many occasions argued against Legend in this topic and always chose to disregard his council feats in other threads so the only reason I brought it was because I saw double standards.
Originally posted by Selenial
"Scourge realised that if she had aimed at the emperor instead of the blade, she could have ended his life even as he ended Revan's. But her instincts to save her friend overrode her desire to kill her enemy."I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of you being wrong.
I am referring to the moment when the 3 combatants closed-in on the Emperor, and the confrontation that was to be expected during this scenario.
Betraying his allies had not altered the inevitable outcome; the Emperor would have won regardless.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan
Originally posted by Beniboybling
I disagree. The fact that the majority of Vitiate's feats are well documented and described, indicates that this feat is deliberately vague and therefore cannot be taken from granted or at face value. Hord's feats lack contexts simply because those contexts or rather the era itself hasn't been explored, not to imply extenuating circumstances (which never are) - the information is merely second hand.Simply put we have no reason not to take them at face value, bar an element of embellishment on Khem Val's part, and if we do it's obvious Tulak Hord was incredibly powerful.
On the topic of Vitiate's feat however if we're to assume Chekhov's gun then the fact that it is noted to take place during a "violent tempest" indicates it was likely some kind of alter environment feat i.e. Force enhanced lightning, which would explain the flash of light.
This is the statement:
He allowed their plan to play out, but when they gathered to confront the Emperor, his punishment was swift and devastating. Eleven members of the Dark Council died in a sudden flash on the steps of the Citadel. The last member Darth Lokess, disappeared forever, though for some centuries some claimed her screams could be heard from the bowels of the Citadel.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia
This is a confrontation and as valid as any other to cite. The only difference in this case is that Vitiate utilized some other Force power or technique to overwhelm a Strike Team of such strength and size.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
IIRC that's Scourge twisting his thoughts to make it seem justifiable.
Lord Scourge betrayed Revan and Meetra Surik because he was not sure that this Strike Team would be good enough to defeat the Emperor. His fears were not unfounded:
Revan lay motionless on the floor of the Citadel’s throne room. Meetra and Scourge lay beside him, their bodies twisted and broken, clinging to the last moments of life.
The Emperor approached the trio, regarding them with a cold and casual contempt as he loomed above his fallen adversaries. Scourge tried to stand and flee, but his crippled limbs wouldn’t support his weight. All he could do was crawl on his belly like a worm.
His efforts drew the attention of the Emperor, who didn’t speak but came over and lowered himself to one knee. He grabbed Scourge by the shoulder and rolled him over so he was staring up into the twin voids of the Emperor's eyes. As he reached out a hand and placed it on Scourge's forehead, the Sith began to scream.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan
This statement:
Betraying his allies had not altered the inevitable outcome; the Emperor would have won regardless. At least this way Scourge was still alive to carry on their cause.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan
- is more direct, justifies Scourge's behavior, and highlights authorial intent.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Likewise, Revan, while in captivity, still believed the team had a chance.