Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
Like I said, Odan-Urr while lacking in feats to be sure has the accolades in spade to be placed comfortably above Thon anyway :hmm (Grand Master, "bane of the Sith", the Yoda of his day, etc)
My impression was Odan-Urr was wise as heck, and very well studied, but not as combative by nature. He often didn't even carry a lightsaber.
Originally posted by Q99
My impression was Odan-Urr was wise as heck, and very well studied, but not as combative by nature. He often didn't even carry a lightsaber.
Nah
He's more than that
http://i.imgur.com/ykqZMql.png (would include Freedon Nadd, a ****er he used to be one of the Masters for)
http://i.imgur.com/tqbLrk4.png (basically compared to Yoda here in terms of reputation, authority, and all put into the context of power)
http://i.imgur.com/kwK0DOX.png (head of the assembly was basically the grand master before the title was given a name)
http://i.imgur.com/CcTu0my.png (self explanatory)
Hell, he's apparently even considered talented with a lightsaber per Jedi Academy Training Manual
http://i.imgur.com/Q6Z1J4x.png
He's pretty much the TotJ version of Yoda
Obviously not as strong, but certainly inspired by the ****er :hmm
Yeah, the quotes comparing them to Mace/Yoda as far as position within the order, and about the Grand Master thing, aren't overly impressive to me.
Satele Shan was a grand master and would lose to plenty of masters from different eras solidly. Not to shit on Odan-Urr or anything, but he was a scholar, not a warrior.
Originally posted by Trocity
Yeah, the quotes comparing them to Mace/Yoda as far as position within the order, and about the Grand Master thing, aren't overly impressive to me.
How so given the masters you have to work with in his era for powerscaling?
Which is the sole relevant discussion in this thread.
Masters from his era.
Satele Shan was a grand master and would lose to plenty of masters from different eras solidly. Not to shit on Odan-Urr or anything, but he was a scholar, not a warrior.
And at the time she was granted the title, she was the strongest of hers (prior to the rise of HoT and Barsen'thor)
Doesn't diminish the meaning any
The era and who you can compare the ****ers with are what matter
And he's clearly more than a scholar with everything I posted dude :hmm
I think you might be overrating him a little bit here. He wasn't being compared to Yoda in anything other than rank within the Order, honestly.
I haven't read Tales in a while, but his feats weren't overly impressive.
Sure, he severed captured sith from the Force after the Great Hyperspace War, which is probably where his "bane of the sith" quote comes from, and you supposedly have to be more powerful than your opponent to sever them from the force, and yeah he has battle meditation which is great and all, but I really don't think he has as much going for him as you seem to think.
Not combatively, anyway.
Originally posted by Trocity I think you might be overrating him a little bit here. He wasn't being compared to Yoda in anything other than rank within the Order, honestly.
I'm really not.
The quote discussed his authority and respect in the context of power. Yoda's the modern example they gave. Odan-Urr is an Old Republic example they gave,
Doesn't make Urr Yoda level, does put him a head above characters of his era.
Which is what this thread is dealing with.
I haven't read Tales in a while, but his feats weren't overly impressive.
He bowled Kun's ass over with a TK/Sever Force combo and basically hunted down the remnants of Sadow's army to strip them of their connection to the force.
So yeah, his feats are sparse, but they're not bad.
I'm also reminded you guys have massive issues with "powerscaling" :hmm
Would Yamcha only be wall level with you? Because that's his best feat ignoring his accolades/power level in Dragon Ball.
Maybe this just makes more sense to me because I do inter-fiction debates, but I sort of feel this should be pretty straight forward *shrugs*
Sure, he severed captured sith from the Force after the Great Hyperspace War, which is probably where his "bane of the sith" quote comes from, and you supposedly have to be more powerful than your opponent to sever them from the force, and yeah he has battle meditation which is great and all, but I really don't think he has as much going for him as you seem to think.
Past thousand years would be inclusive of Freedon Nadd
A ****er Odan-Urr was once one of the masters of per Factfile 90 IIRC.
Freedon Nadd's not exactly a pushover with the number of powers he can use per TotJ Companion.
