We have all been trolled
"Outmatched, Yoda retreats and waits to train a new champion to lead the fight against evil."
"Though Yoda is a tough combatant, the Emperor uses his Sith powers to release lightning bolts and hurl floating platforms at his foe. Ultimately the battle proves too much for Yoda, who barely escapes and is whisked away to safety by Senator Bail Organa."
"Yoda tries to stop Palpatine, the new Emperor, from taking control. He loses and barely escapes with his life."
Ultimate Star Wars, pages 52-53, Yoda's entry.
Not seeing much room for debate here. It's a canon, out of universe source, authority that transcends even that of the all-knowing Filoni.
If your argument is that you're now going to neglect sources like this in favour of looking solely at the movie, then proceed also to stop debating any form of Star Wars media outside of just the movies, otherwise you'd be presenting yourself as a selective hypocrite. 😮💨
Originally posted by ILS
"Outmatched, Yoda retreats and waits to train a new champion to lead the fight against evil."
Already addressed, but I like your persistence in repeating the same quotes.
Originally posted by ILS
"Though Yoda is a tough combatant, the Emperor uses his Sith powers to release lightning bolts and hurl floating platforms at his foe. Ultimately the battle proves too much for Yoda, who barely escapes and is whisked away to safety by Senator Bail Organa."
The battle was too much for Yoda. But it's not like Sidious was having a field day either.
Originally posted by ILS
"Yoda tries to stop Palpatine, the new Emperor, from taking control. He loses and barely escapes with his life."Ultimate Star Wars, pages 52-53, Yoda's entry.
Again he did lose. Because a stalemate was a loss for Yoda.
You're a bit slow at getting the point aren't you.
Originally posted by ILS
Not seeing much room for debate here.
Of course you're not.
Originally posted by ILS
It's a canon, out of universe source, authority that transcends even that of the all-knowing Filoni.
Is it more Canon than the films?
Originally posted by ILS
If your argument is that you're now going to neglect sources like this in favour of looking solely at the movie, then proceed also to stop debating any form of Star Wars media outside of just the movies,
I'm sure you'd love that. But I'll always be here to put people like you in their place.
Originally posted by ILS
otherwise you'd be presenting yourself as a selective hypocrite. 😮💨
Yeah sure. Anyone who doesn't agree with you in a SW Debate should either stop debating or is clearly a hypocrite.
So are you going to actually show me the part of the actual combat where Yoda was "Outmatched?" Or are you just going to hide behind semantics your whole life?
Already addressed, but I like your persistence in repeating the same quotes.I'm enjoying your lack of an argument, DP. Sidious came out the victor; he "outmatched" Yoda, in spite of Yoda being a "tough combatant" (evidently not as tough as Sheev according to the text), and Yoda only barely escapes with his life. In contrast Sidious stood atop his throne of senate pods cackling in triumph with his life nowhere close to being in danger, with escape not even entering his thoughts or being referenced in the given text.The battle was too much for Yoda. But it's not like Sidious was having a field day either.
Again he did lose. Because a stalemate was a loss for Yoda.
If that sounds like a stalemate to you I suggest having your head examined at the nearest possible opportunity. 👆
You're a bit slow at getting the point aren't you.I'm enjoying the ad hominem also, mostly because of the added irony that the one dishing out the unprovoked insults himself generally presents himself as being as slow and cumbersome as the avatar his profile revolves around.
Is it more Canon than the films?It's as canon as the films to my knowledge, unless there's some kind of canon tiering system Disney has put in place that I'm unaware of? It also doesn't contradict the films, but merely points out explicit details that fellows such as yourself may not have sussed out by yourself. 👆
I'm sure you'd love that. But I'll always be here to put people like you in their place.Awfully noble of you.Yeah sure. Anyone who doesn't agree with you in a SW Debate should either stop debating or is clearly a hypocrite.
I'm merely pointing out that if you're going to ignore a canonical sourcebook such as Ultimate, and look solely at the movies for your analysis, then, it's only logical that should another thread appear featuring a movie character, that you would only take into account their movie showings and disregard everything else, as you've done here, in order to remain consistent to your thought process and not selectively look at content. I'll be keeping a close eye, DP. Don't let me catch you drawing from any non-movie sources.
Although that's also bearing in mind that to only look at one canonical source and not another is essentially your way of ignoring evidence, being selective, and limiting your scope on the matter. But, what you want to regard as canon can be up to the individual, so I'm only really questioning your own thought process opposed to what Disney lines out for the rest of us.
So are you going to actually show me the part of the actual combat where Yoda was "Outmatched?" Or are you just going to hide behind semantics your whole life?
I don't think there's anything left to debate here, personally. Yoda runs away from the fight and the newest, canon supplementary source echoes that Sidious won the fight, outmatched Yoda, and that Yoda only barely escaped with his life. To argue otherwise, that Yoda is either Sidious' equal or superior, is sheer retardation on your part, to put it bluntly. 👆
Originally posted by ILS
I'm enjoying your lack of an argument, DP. Sidious came out the victor; he "outmatched" Yoda, in spite of Yoda being a "tough combatant" (evidently not as tough as Sheev according to the text), and Yoda only barely escapes with his life. In contrast Sidious stood atop his throne of senate pods cackling in triumph with his life nowhere close to being in danger, with escape not even entering his thoughts or being referenced in the given text.
My lack of argument? All you're proving is your lack of attention since you've still failed to grasp the point I'm making.
Yes Sidious came out the Victor, BECAUSE a stalemate was a victory for him. CONTEXT. Try it sometime. Or show me which part of the combat Sidious won, because in the multiple times I've seen that fight, I must have completely missed that part.
"Outmatched" I've explained. You see now you're putting your own Spin on the text by saying "evidently not as tough as Sheev according to the text". Because the Text does not say that. That's why I'm here to call you out on your Bull.
And LMAO with Yoda barely escaping with his life. So what you think Sidious's life was never in danger?
Escape didn't enter Sidious's thought (apart from the beginning when he in fact did try to escape), but chasing Yoda wasn't exactly a priority for him either. In fact he ordered his troops to chase Yoda.
Again Context is a wonderful thing.
Originally posted by ILS
If that sounds like a stalemate to you I suggest having your head examined at the nearest possible opportunity. 👆
facepalm
At least TRY and Comprehend my points.
A stalemate WAS a Victory for him. Yoda's mission was to overthrow Sidious as Emperor. Stalemating was not an option for Yoda, whilst Stalemating would keep the guy who tried to run away at the beginning, very happy indeed.
Originally posted by ILS
I'm enjoying the ad hominem also, mostly because of the added irony that the one dishing out the unprovoked insults himself generally presents himself as being as slow and cumbersome as the avatar his profile revolves around.
Unprovoked Insults? Are you High? This from the guy who came barging in here calling me a Hypocrite and having the nerve to tell me to stop debating here COMPLETELY Unprovoked?
Originally posted by ILS
It's as canon as the films to my knowledge, unless there's some kind of canon tiering system Disney has put in place that I'm unaware of? It also doesn't contradict the films, but merely points out explicit details that fellows such as yourself may not have sussed out by yourself.
No where does it say in any of those quotes that Sidious was the outright superior combatant to Yoda. Either in Sabers or TK.
The fact that Yoda already stated that he failed in the film make all your quotes pretty pointless.
Originally posted by ILS
I'm merely pointing out that if you're going to ignore a canonical sourcebook such as Ultimate, and look solely at the movies for your analysis, then, it's only logical that should another thread appear featuring a movie character, that you would only take into account their movie showings and disregard everything else, as you've done here, in order to remain consistent to your thought process and not selectively look at content. I'll be keeping a close eye, DP. Don't let me catch you drawing from any non-movie sources.
Again where have I said I'm going to IGNORE ALL SOURCEBOOKS.
You really are grasping here. You like Tempest are clearly having nightmares about me. So much so, that I hardly even show up here nowadays, yet you're still begging me to leave 😂
Originally posted by ILS
Although that's also bearing in mind that to only look at one canonical source and not another is essentially your way of ignoring evidence, being selective, and limiting your scope on the matter. But, what you want to regard as canon can be up to the individual, so I'm only really questioning your own thought process opposed to what Disney lines out for the rest of us.
Oh really? I'm being selective? This from the guy whose yet to show me the part of the film where Sidious clearly outmatched Yoda in direct combat, and instead has to draw up his own conclusions from sourcebooks and use that as all the evidence he needs (when it backs his argument of course).
Originally posted by ILS
I don't think there's anything left to debate here, personally.
Of course there's not. Anyone whose going to claim that either Yoda or Sidious are clearly superior to the other is grasping at straws.
Originally posted by ILS
Yoda runs away from the fight
And Sidious was pursuing Yoda to continue the fight at which point again?
Was Yoda just supposed to hang around there like Sidious was. In the Senate Room of the New Empire?
Do you even think about your own arguments these days?
Originally posted by ILS
and the newest, canon supplementary source echoes that Sidious won the fight,
It said he won the actual direct combat?
Originally posted by ILS
outmatched Yoda,
It said he outmatched Yoda in Direct Combat?
Originally posted by ILS
and that Yoda only barely escaped with his life.
And what Sidious didn't come close to Dying himself in that last Force fight?
Originally posted by ILS
[BTo argue otherwise, that Yoda is either Sidious' equal or superior, is sheer retardation on your part, to put it bluntly. 👆 [/B]
Ah yes, clearly I'm the one throwing out the Unprovoked insults.
I suggest you actually look up the term Hypocrite before you throw it out at other people.