Z Fighters vs. Annihilators

Although, I can see Astner's point. The problem I see, in general, with examining comic book characters vs anime/manga (or anyone, really) is that comic characters are often handle by multiple writers, and of course, the manner in which they're handled differs, sometimes greatly, depending on the writer (Don't we all just love Frank Miller's Batman? vin); hence the faulty inconsistency. Anime and manga, on the other hand, are usually handled exclusively by their respective creators, with a clearer, more pure idea of how the characters are portrayed and who/what they're intended to be.

That said, I'm not exactly sure what the remedy for this would be, but I just wanted to mention it.

Bill took a nap in a sun...

Even Whis admitted he doesn't have that level of power and Whis would rape this team.

I'm not sure how this is even a fight.

I'm not sure where you're going with that. I haven't seen the latest Z movies.

minor Revival of F spoiler

Spoiler:
Whis admitted he couldn't recreate the sun that Beerus destroyed

I'm guessing its that Goku has what it take to handle the Annihilators since he was able to put up a fight against Beerus who ,according to Whis, destroyed two suns.

Goku was curb stomped by Beerus, even with his amp.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Bill took a nap in a sun...

Even Whis admitted he doesn't have that level of power and Whis would rape this team.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
minor Revival of F spoiler

Spoiler:
Whis admitted he couldn't recreate the sun that Beerus destroyed

Bill's ability to survive inside of a star—which would be high-end—is not impressive enough to warrant that he'd survive an exploding star let alone a condensed blast that would destroy a star; and Beerus destroyed two stars while half asleep from what we're told.

Bill is equal to Thor in terms of power and abilities; and while Thor is one of the most powerful Avengers, he's not endangering the planet with every fight he's in.

The entire team of Annihilators almost died from this attack...

I feel pretty got darn safe at saying that Kayo Ken Goku could replicate that blast.

Originally posted by Astner
I'm not aware of Beta Ray Bill napping in the sun, but assuming it's true what does Whis inability to create stars have to do with anything?

Bill's ability to survive inside of a star—which would be high-end—is not impressive enough to warrant that he'd survive an exploding star let alone a condensed blast that would destroy a star; and Beerus destroyed two stars while half asleep from what we're told.

Bill is equal to Thor in terms of power and abilities; and while Thor is one of the most powerful Avengers, he's not endangering the planet with every fight he's in.

We are using high end as standard Goku can't sence anyone here's power level and thus would fight very sloppy. It's also been shown in the Buu arc that their "high" speed fighting ability comes from that sense.

Originally posted by carver9
The entire team of Annihilators almost died from this attack...

I feel pretty got darn safe at saying that Kayo Ken Goku could replicate that blast.

If you weren't so damn funny, I'd ignore you like H1

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
first, the explosion is scaleless. Second, you think Saiyan arc Goku can shatter an amped Quasar's shield...?

If you weren't so damn funny, I'd ignore you like H1

You can tell the size by looking at the ship in the middle of the blast.

Shatter an amped Quasar shield? What in the world are you talking about? The shields were not shattered there. What I'm telling you is, they would've died from that attack 'if Quasar shields were not in place'. Do you understand now? A attack that Goku could easily replicate.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Its from right before Bill fought Stardust. Btw stars are always combusting, it's what makes them stars.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
We are using high end as standard

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Goku can't sence anyone here's power level and thus would fight very sloppy. It's also been shown in the Buu arc that their "high" speed fighting ability comes from that sense.

High end is not the same thing as outlier or PIS (Spider-man vs firelord).

For what im reading here, for sure, you guys are taking high end Goku for this fight, but average (whatever that means) for comic guys.

Why do you think Bill is not a thread for then Astner ?

Originally posted by Astner
You mean that stars undergo fusion? Yes. But the effect of a star released through fusion is significantly less than the effect of a supernova.

Well. I'm not. I'm using consistently reliable portrayals in which case Silver Surfer and Gladiator are the only ones that can be considered threats. Whether either of them would solo or lose is a topic of speculation which I'm not too interested in.

Majin Buu fought without sensing chi and he was able to keep up with the Z-fighters. So the advantage of sensing ki is marginal at best.

Bill is roughly Surfers equal, so I'm not sure why you are excluding him. Ronan and Nova have some solid feats and quasar is like tailor made to kill Z fighters.

Ok, so one has that ability. Goku told that energy eating dragon thing. To lazy to look up his name.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
High end is not the same thing as outlier or PIS (Spider-man vs firelord).

For what im reading here, for sure, you guys are taking high end Goku for this fight, but average (whatever that means) for comic guys.

Why do you think Bill is not a thread for then Astner ?

What is a high end Goku and what is an average Goku?

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
...care to prove Beerus made a star go supernova over just dissipating it.

Bill is roughly Surfers equal, so I'm not sure why you are excluding him. Ronan and Nova have some solid feats and quasar is like tailor made to kill Z fighters.

Ok, so one has that ability. Goku told that energy eating dragon thing. To lazy to look up his name.

Surfer and Bills are equals? 😂

Not even close. Beerus would rape Surfer and easily at that.

Originally posted by carver9
What is a high end Goku and what is an average Goku?

Goku screws around 99% of the time until someone dies and then gets serious.

Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Really?

Goku screws around 99% of the time until someone dies and then gets serious.

What fight did he screw around with.

I know for a fact Goku would see this lady in slow motion.

And Bills would treat her like she is a fly. He would probably stand in one spot and let her pound on him without suffering a scratch.

Buu
Cell
Androids
Mecha Frieza
Majin Vegeta
The energy sucking dragon

The fights he didn't screw around with:
Raditz (unconfirmed as he was curb stomped)
Nappa (*multiple deaths caveat*)
Vegeta (though he does spare the murder of his friends)
Ginyu force
Frieza (Krillian, Vegeta & all of Namek are destroyed and Goku is still dicking around but he was far too powerful)
Kid Buu