Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Buu
Cell
Androids
Mecha Frieza
Majin Vegeta
The energy sucking dragonThe fights he didn't screw around with:
Raditz (unconfirmed as he was curb stomped)
Nappa (*multiple deaths caveat*)
Vegeta (though he does spare the murder of his friends)
Ginyu force
Frieza (Krillian, Vegeta & all of Namek are destroyed and Goku is still dicking around but he was far too powerful)
Kid Buu
He didn't screw around in the Buu fight. The only reason he didn't kill Buu was to give Vegeta a chance to fight. He doesn't have to worry about that in this fight.
He didn't screw around in the Cell fight. Remember, he attempted to kill Cell. Blew half of his body off. If you call that screwing around, I don't know what to tell you.
Which Android fight did he screw around in?
Him and Mechanical Frieza didn't fight. Remember, he sensed Trunks on the planet and knew there was no need to join in the battle since he felt Trunks was capable of stopping Frieza.
He did hold back on Vegeta and he only did that because he cared about him. Nothing more, nothing less.
He killed the energy sucking dragon.
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Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Surfer has feats of reacting at a femtosecond and traversing the entire cosmos in a few panels... Whis confirmed Goku can't physically move at light speed.
When did Whis confirm Goku couldn't move at light speed? Stop making up stuff.
Surfer combat speed is boo boo compared to Z fighters. They would circle around him and punch him to sleep as easy as it is for me to type this sentence up.
Originally posted by carver9? The first was Fat Buu. He told Piccolo he didn't kill Buu because he's not supposed to be alive. About as dumb as possible.
He didn't screw around in the Buu fight. The only reason he didn't kill Buu was to give Vegeta a chance to fight. He doesn't have to worry about that in this fight.He didn't screw around in the Cell fight. Remember, he attempted to kill Cell. Blew half of his body off. If you call that screwing around, I don't know what to tell you.
Which Android fight did he screw around in?
Him and Mechanical Frieza didn't fight. Remember, he sensed Trunks on the planet and knew there was no need to join in the battle since he felt Trunks was capable of stopping Frieza.
He did hold back on Vegeta and he only did that because he cared about him. Nothing more, nothing less.
He killed the energy sucking dragon.
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He gave Cell a Fuc*ing Senzu bean, before sending in his son...
Goku not taking his meds till it hit him, not bfr 18 before she could be absorbed.
Exactly, he knew Frieza and Cold were on earth but forgot IT
He allowed Buu to be revived, instead of humbling Vegeta... A new level of dumb.
Agreed... In the dumbest way possible. Quasar is on team....
Originally posted by carver9....Jesus
When did Whis confirm Goku couldn't move at light speed? Stop making up stuff.Surfer combat speed is boo boo compared to Z fighters. They would circle around him and punch him to sleep as easy as it is for me to type this sentence up.
Right after Whis embarrassed both Goku and Vegeta, he points out that they aren't fast enough because they are limited by their synapses. Don't call me a liar because you fail at comprehension.
Lol, he has faster reaction and travel speed feats but sure... Somehow they are faster because you wanna argue them fighting a sleeping Surfer...
Originally posted by Henry_Pym
...care to prove Beerus made a star go supernova over just dissipating it.
But let's look at Marvel. What characters have shown to be able to destroy stars? Jean Grey when she first because the Dark Phoenix. Galactus destroyed three of them in Annihilation. Now, I'm fully aware that these characters are beyond Beerus in terms of power. But my point is that this is a feat of energy projection well beyond the Annihilators capabilities.
Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Bill is roughly Surfers equal,
Originally posted by Henry_Pym
Ronan and Nova have some solid feats and quasar is like tailor made to kill Z fighters.
Originally posted by Henry_Pym
? The first was Fat Buu. He told Piccolo he didn't kill Buu because he's not supposed to be alive. About as dumb as possible.He gave Cell a Fuc*ing Senzu bean, before sending in his son...
Goku not taking his meds till it hit him, not bfr 18 before she could be absorbed.
Exactly, he knew Frieza and Cold were on earth but forgot IT
He allowed Buu to be revived, instead of humbling Vegeta... A new level of dumb.
Agreed... In the dumbest way possible. Quasar is on team.... ....Jesus
Right after Whis embarrassed both Goku and Vegeta, he points out that they aren't fast enough because they are limited by their synapses. Don't call me a liar because you fail at comprehension.
Lol, he has faster reaction and travel speed feats but sure... Somehow they are faster because you wanna argue them fighting a sleeping Surfer...
He wasn't suppose to intervene in what was going on in the living World which is the reason he said he will leave it to the boys to take out Buu. The dead have rules as well buddy.
He gave Cell a Senzu bean because he knew Gohan would win. Wait a minute. I thought you said Goku plays around in HIS fights, not a fight against Gohan.
Why would he need to intervene against Frieza when he knew Trunks would take him out? Are you forgetting that?
He didn't allow Buu to do anything. Remember, he told Supreme Ki and Gohan to take out Buu while he kept Vegeta busy.
Quasar would get destroyed by Goku before he got the chance to bat an eye.
😆 So Goku and VEGETA being unable to tag a guy who is massively faster than light means they can't go light speed? Whis told them why they couldn't hit him and it had nothing to do with them not being light speedsters. He said that they have to think about their movement whereas he doesn't. His reactions is natural and he said that once they master that, they will be untouchable. Had nothing to do with them being slower than light. Just stop.
Also, Goku combat speed piss on anyone here. I don't think you understand consistency.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rmZnGKoQkrE
Right around 2:30-2:40ish is the conversation. I expect an apology.
You are limited by your nervous system.
The Japanese version says synapse, but either version puts them below LS.
Originally posted by Henry_Pym
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rmZnGKoQkrERight around 2:30-2:40ish is the conversation. I expect an apology.
You are limited by your nervous system.
The Japanese version says synapse, but either version puts them below LS.
Originally posted by Henry_Pym
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rmZnGKoQkrERight around 2:30-2:40ish is the conversation. I expect an apology.
You are limited by your nervous system.
The Japanese version says synapse, but either version puts them below LS.
So Saiyan nervous system is equal to human nervous system?
Scans.
Originally posted by AstnerThe Anni have undeniable feats of moving faster than light.
In Carver's defense, it doesn't explicitly point out light speed as a limitation. You might argue that their synapses can't fire faster than light because it's nomologically impossible for information to travel faster than the speed of light, but then you'd have to apply that reasoning to the Annihilators as well.
Originally posted by carver9you are the one proving they are not. Though there is speculation that humans and saiyans are fairly closely related (great ape ancestors and human medicine working on saiyans)((even doctors seem to view saiyans a close to humans))
So Saiyan nervous system is equal to human nervous system?Scans.
Originally posted by Henry_Pym
The Anni have undeniable feats of moving faster than light.
And if you want to be technical, Marvel's explanation for superluminal travel is travel through hyperspace. Just Google image Marvel hyperspace and you'll find tons of references to it.
Originally posted by Astner...why did Whis say it then? I'd hit the other points but I want that answer.
You apply a nomological tautology to Dragon Ball that clearly doesn't apply to it. The speed of light was exceeded by the space ships that were used to travel to Namek.And if you want to be technical, Marvel's explanation for superluminal travel is travel through hyperspace. Just Google image Marvel hyperspace and you'll find tons of references to it.
Originally posted by Astnerin both the original and dub he points out that they are limited by the speed of their (synapses/nervous) systems.
He didn't point out that they were slower than light. What he did point out was that they lost reaction time because they spent too much time overthinking their actions.
Originally posted by Henry_Pym
No, it's an assumption that the Saiyan nervous system is run on something other than electricity.
So once again, my question is: Why should we restrict Dragon Ball by nomological contradictions while not holding DC and Marvel to the same standard? Keep in mind that Dragon Ball already have instances of superluminal space travel.
Originally posted by Henry_Pym
The Anni have undeniable feats of moving faster than light. you are the one proving they are not. Though there is speculation that humans and saiyans are fairly closely related (great ape ancestors and human medicine working on saiyans)((even doctors seem to view saiyans a close to humans))
Are you really comparing SAIYANS to human beings, physically? They are not made the same. You applying human beings physiology to a Saiyan is where you are wrong at. A Saiyan isn't made of the same stuff that humans are made of. Hell, Saiyan babies are stronger and more durable than humans. The proof isn't on me to prove their physical makeup is different, it's on you to prove that everything about them is the same.
Proof please. Beerus has shown FTL speed as well but he still have the same problem Whis said about the Saiyans.