Krayt and Revan run a gauntlet

Whatever your opinion may be he is confirmed to be a Niman user and he turned it into an utterly chaotic brand of Niman.

That was Kun's style:

Some unique objects are invariably associated with their remarkable owners. The unusual double-bladed lightsaber of the fallen Jedi Exar Kun is one such artifact. This weapon as distinctive and dangerous as its builder, the Dark Lord of the Sith, who initiated the great Sith War and nearly toppled the Old Republic.

[...]

As the battle against the Jedi escalated, Kun altered his normal lightsaber into a more deadly and dangerous weapon. Kun added a second emitter matrix on the opposite end of the handgrip, allowing him to release two blue-white blades simultaneously. The dark Jedi wielded the saber much as he would a quarterstaff, using one blade to block incoming attacks, then quickly spinning the handgrip to use the second blade to strike a killing blow against his opponent.

Customized controls allowed him to adjust each blade's length from half a meter to one and a half meters. Panels controlled each blade's intensity: at its highest setting, a blade was like any other lightsaber, with the ability to cut through dense materials such as armor plating and durasteel with virtually no resistance. At the lowest power setting, a blade became a simple shaft of light, delivering no damage and providing no resistance against incoming lightsaber attacks. By abruptly shortening a blade or dropping it to the lowest power setting, Kun tricked his opponents into overextending themselves during attacks, giving him an opportunity for a dealy counterstrike. By coupling these tactics with his Force abilities to predict the actions of his opponents, Kun became virtually unstoppable in combat.
- The Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology

Yet Ulic was a master duelist, the greatest Jedi of his day and one of the most powerful Sith in history:

While his brother [Ulic] perfected his combat skills by defeating training droids, Cay was more interested in putting the dismantled droids back together.

- Power of the Jedi Sourcebook

Ulic Qel-Droma quickly mastered the art of lightsaber dueling.

- The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

"Ulic was once our greatest Jedi Knight. Now he is our greatest shame."

- Sylvar

But Ulic Qel-Droma isn't just anyone; he's a Jedi, perhaps the greatest of his time.

- Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi: Dark Lords of the Sith #5 Solicitation

The spirit of Freedon Nadd appeared before Ulic and proclaimed he would one day become one of the most powerful SIth Lords in history.

- Power of the Jedi Sourcebook

So Revan learned what Meetra Surik did, sweet. Where did he learn Juyo again? Because Surik mastered it via Master Kavar, the other forms from the Jedi High Council members and Kreia, not just the out-of-shape Dantooine Jedi Enclave that had not been the same since Vodo's death.

Warb Null was very powerful and highly skilled, his Dark Armor only boosted his prowess:

Warb Null-The leader of the dissident Naddist, Null combined martial prowess with his mastery of the dark-side of the Force. He was eventually killed by UIic Qel-Droma.

- Straight from the Horse's Mouth: A Guide to the Tales of the Jedi Universe, Part 3—Star Wars Insider 28

Ulic kills three Krath warriors, causing a trail of green energy before engaging Null, completely outspeeding him:

Mandalore the Ultimate left a greater legacy through his neo crusade than Mandalore the Indomitable, a comment which was made thousands of years later by the way.

Revan fought Ultimate on a bridge, compared to Ulic fighting Indomitable whom had a Basilisk war droid and fired it at Ulic, whom uses Force Barrier to tank the incoming fire, which has destroyed military fortifications and damaged capital ship hulls, casually:

Ulic himself had chains to stand on:

If you want to go by character POV however:

"Freedon Nadd_was a Dark Jedi. The stories say he was_far worse than Revan and Malak_ever were." ―Xarga

"Exar Kun was a far more powerful Sith Lord than any who have come since. The very ground trembled beneath his feet and when he looked at you.... you just....." - Knights of the Old Republic

Just for the record, Freedon Nadd has knowledge of all Force techniques everywhere and is far more powerful than Naga Sadow:

"Eventually, the apprentice[Nadd] became far more powerful than the teacher[Sadow]..."

-The Official Star Wars Factfile 90

"Freedon Nadd has knowledge of all Jedi and Sith Force powers presented herein as well as those abilities still hidden in ancient Holocrons and tomes."

―Tales of the Jedi Companion

Exar Kun was even more powerful than Freedon Nadd:

Once the most powerful and dangerous of the Dark Lords of the Sith, he was responsible for the deaths of millions four millennia before the rise of the Empire. Killed by an overwhelming force of Jedi, the spirit of Exar Kun survived across the vastness of time to challenge Luke Skywalker and a new group of Jedi trainees.
- The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

Cay and Ulic dueled and Ulic came out on top, because he was better and stronger, which is considerable given Cay's own considerable powers:

The Qel-Droma family has produced many powerful Force sensitives. Some, such as Cay Qel-Droma, have been shining examples of the strength of the Force. Others, like Cay’s brother Ulic, have fallen prey to the temptations of the dark side.

- Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords: Prima Official Game Guide

Exar Kun was absolutely superior to Vodo Siosk-Baas in that contest:

In the process he once more faced his former master, Vodo Siosk Baas, this time armed with a double-bladed lightsaber of his own construction. Master Vodo did not have a chance, and fell to his former student.
- The Dark Side Sourcebook

The two fought, and Vodo-Siosk Baas was no match for Exar Kun's double-bladed lightsaber.
-Power of the Jedi Sourcebook

Infact Exar Kun was far more powerful than Ulic Qel-Droma, Vodo Siosk-Baas, Thon, Arca Jeth, Odan-Urr, Nomi Sunrider or any one Jedi of his time:

though Kun was far more powerful than any one other Jedi of the time, A combined force had defeated him.
-The Jedi Academy Sourcebook

This is extremely impressive considering the great feats of the Jedi of his time, chaostheory has excellent respect threads on that front:

http://www.comicvine.com/profile/ct123/blog/vodo-siosk-baas-respect-thread/107346/
http://www.comicvine.com/profile/ct123/blog/odan-urr-respect-thread/107353/
http://www.comicvine.com/profile/ct123/blog/arca-jeth-respect-thread/107414/
As well as Nargaroth's Thon respect thread:

http://www.comicvine.com/profile/zapan87/blog/

Perhaps most impressive is Thon controlling and banishing the greatest amount of Dark Side energy, the Jedi had ever recorded by that point:

Exar Kun being far more powerful than him is an extremely impressive accolade.

Revan's lightsaber knowledge/style is most well pointed out by Drew Karpyshyn, certainly greater than fanon theories on the matter. On that matter Drew claims Revan is primarily a Niman user but uses all forms, which is likely where you got the idea of his using Juyo. Unfortunately he still lacks any solid evidence for Revan being a master duelist, beyond character POV (ehich will shoot you in the foot) and Drew's opinion.

Comparatively Exar Kun is a great master duelist:

Kun was a master of lightsaber combat and had even bested Master Vodo’s quarterstaff during a sparring practice.

- Power of the Jedi Sourcebook

An excellent student and a master swordsman, Exar Kun was fascinated with the powers of the ancient Sith Lords.

- The Dark Side Sourcebook

Both Jedi are master swordsman-- neither can claim an advantage with the lightsaber!
-Tales of the Jedi

Exar Kun is infact ambidextrous in the weapon's use:

He is also a high tier master of the saberstaff and Jar'kai:

Gnost-Dural also believes that Kun was unparalelled in the lightsaber prowess he achieved:

As a young Jedi Knight, Exar Kun exhibited a strong connection to the Force. Through long practice he achieved unparalleled prowess in lightsaber combat.

- Gnost-Dural (Star Wars: The Old Republic - Timeline - The Exar Kun War)

I see no evidence suggesting Revan increased in lightsaber skill, only Force power.

Holy s*** you wrecked Ant.

Indeed, very good post AncientPower.

Many non-Force sensitives have been shown to be able to fight Jedi in single-combat without any issue. The Mandalorians, Echani, and Imperial Guard are examples of this.

Rarely at their own game (lightsaber duel or even swordfight) but with a reliance on tech/specific tricks that are designed to defeat Jedi. And the few non-Force users that have success against Jedi usually represent the most skilled warriors in the galaxy, which in terms of sheer skill, is a far, far greater accomplishment than merely being among the most skilled Force Users in the galaxy. Force Users have superhuman abilities that make them so dangerous, but nothing suggests their natural talent in combat is anything beyond the norm, and relatively their numbers are absolutely tiny, so in the grand scheme of things, it isn't all that impressive to rise to the top of such a talent pool in terms of pure skill, compared to say, becoming an infamous bounty hunter within a galaxy of bounty hunters.

Ulic was able to basically fight evenly against one of the notable Jedi heroes of the war in a pure lightsaber duel, after having not properly fought with a lightsaber in years and having been cut off from the Force. You don't get demonstrations of pure skill and talent that come close to that, as far as Force Users are concerned.

To use a real world example Ant, not sure how well you follow sports but generally speaking, you assess how great a talent pool for a sport is based on the sheer number of people in it, and the quality of people that get drawn into it. So, one might argue that football/soccer attracts the greatest athletes/technicians in the world, simply because it's the most popular sport in the world and also the highest paying. More people playing it makes the talent pool more competitive, and the high pay makes it a great incentive for serious athletes to dedicate their time to that sport over others. Thus, being the best soccer player in the world is a far greater achievement than say, being the best badminton player in the world.

So if we go back to comparing Jedi and bounty hunters/various other non-Force sensitive warriors purely from the basis of skill in combat, the sheer difference in numbers is absolutely staggering for one, we're talking probably about a few thousand Jedi compared to possibly billions of non-Force sensitive warriors. Then there's the quality of the individuals that get drawn into their respective trades. Individuals are chosen to become Jedi based entirely on their strength in the Force, which is completely statistically intependent of their natural talent in combat/with a lightsaber. Bounty hunters etc. on the other hand, usually don't enter the trade if they realise they're not cut out for it. The people who choose to become bounty hunters, and stay alive long enough to truly practice it as a vocation, are generally going to be naturally talented in the attributes that make them good at what they do.

So, the fact that from a sheer skill basis, you're comparing Ulic to some of the most skilled combatants in the entire galaxy as opposed to his Jedi brethren, is actually hugely complimentary to him. Take the sheer skill of a famed echani swordsman, and combine that with a being who possesses perhaps the second greatest strength in the Force of his generation, and you have Ulic (well that's probably being a little too complimentary, but it should be clear now that a comparison between Ulic and the likes of infamous bounty hunters is highly favourable to him).

Edit - it would be like picking ten karate practitioners at random out of a group of a million, and granting them superhuman abilities. Those abilities will make them the more effective combatants, but in terms of technique, the most skilled guy in the group of a million will be far, far greater than the most skilled guy out of the ten guys with super powers (unless by some absurd stroke of luck, one of the guys with the most natural talent ended up being randomly picked).

They're down at 5. Krayt holds his own against Plagueis, but is simply inferior. He goes down.

Kun at the very least holds off Revan, if not matches him, and their fight won't be resolved by the time Krayt and Plagueis' is. So Plagueis comes back to finish off Revan.

I don't remember giving you people permission to discuss Ulic or Kun, lol.

Originally posted by Sinious
Holy s*** you wrecked Ant.

Also, on the point about Exar "using all of his Sith tricks" to defeat Vodo-Siosk, bear in mind that the Essential Chronology is an in-universe source. So unless the source of the source is credible then it's pretty asinine to assert as fact that Kun used a power he seemingly neglected in the comic.

It's also asinine to suggest that Vodo was only fighting defensively. We've already seen that he's willing and capable of using non-lethal means to win a fight, e.g disarming. That fact is he didn't get through Exar's defence in any capacity.

*shrug* character limit.

All good points.

Originally posted by ILS
I don't remember giving you people permission to discuss Ulic or Kun, lol.

Pretty sure you need MY permission as far as Kun goes now dude :hmm

Originally posted by ILS

Also, on the point about Exar "using all of his Sith tricks" to defeat Vodo-Siosk, bear in mind that the Essential Chronology is an in-universe source. So unless the source of the source is credible then it's pretty asinine to assert as fact that Kun used a power he seemingly neglected in the comic.

Aw

Wasn't aware of that

So much for adding superfluous shit to my Baas thread

Hah, true.

Originally posted by ILS
Indeed. Although it should be noted he basically copy and pasted all of his content from my Exar and Ulic threads without crediting.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
On the plus side, I expect this to go very well and be entertaining. I wonder which side will stop posting first.

Originally posted by Sinious
Holy s*** you wrecked Ant.

Actually kind of disappointed.... mmm I'll respond soon. 👆

Maybe you should post your Revan Lightsaber Respect thread, Ant. 👆

You mean the one that doesn't exist anymore? mmm

It's still there, just black barred to hell because of your justified shame over it.

The thread was pretty great. I black barred it so I can revamp it later with more content.

Revan was trained by Kreia, who knows all forms, therefore Revan Knows those forms.

That was a legitimate thing in your Lightsabers Overview thing, Ant lol.

Also, I'd say Kun is probably better than Revan in sabers. They've both received accolades calling them the best of their day and fought similarly skilled warriors. It's not an easy one but I do see Excelsior Kun winning.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Excelsior

And my computer ****ing crashes mid way through a response...

I blame Nephthys.