Whatever your opinion may be
The best part about this is that the same sentence this is in contains a pretty hardcore opinion.
he is confirmed to be a Niman user
Indeed. Show me where I stated otherwise.
and he turned it into an utterly chaotic brand of Niman.
Niman isn’t suppose to be “utterly chaotic.”
That was Kun's style:
I’m completely aware.
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Yet Ulic was a master duelist,
So was Revan. You actually admitted to this below with failure to respond to my claims of Revan’s mastery of the lightsaber forms Shii-Cho, Makashi, Soresu, and Tràkata, and probably all the others as well given his complete training with various other Jedi Masters.
the greatest Jedi of his day
Guess who else was the greatest Jedi of his day? Revan!
"For a time I worked with the greatest of your Jedi heroes: Revan and the Jedi Exile..."
―Scourge (Star Wars: The Old Republic)
"You must realize that Revan was as great as a Jedi could be."
―Juhani (Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic)
"Revan's tale shows us how even the greatest of Jedi can fall to the dark side."
―Dorak (Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic)
"She clings to hope that perhaps she can train one as great as her first."
―Darth Sion (Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords)
"Our heroes had become brutal, conquering Sith, and we were all but helpless before them. Think about it, if you can't even trust the best of the Jedi, who can you trust?"
―Carth Onasi (Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 2: The Sith Lords)
and one of the most powerful Sith in history:
While you type this, there is no way you aren’t realizing that Revan also fits the credentials you are praising.
"The Star Wars universe has created some truly vile dark side villains. Have you ever wondered what would happen if the most powerful Sith Lords (Darth Sidious, Darth Caedus, and Darth Revan) duked it out for supremacy of the galaxy?"
―Wizards of the Coast: Sith Showdown
"Many of the most powerful, terrifying, and notorious Sith Lords through history have been Human or near-Human, including Exar Kun, Darth Malak, Darth Bane, Darth Sidious, Darth Vader, and Darth Krayt."
―Behind the Threat: The Sith
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So Revan learned what Meetra Surik did, sweet.
I don’t recall Surik learning under Master Dorak and Zhar Lestin.
Regarded by Bastila Shan and The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia as two of "the most powerful Jedi" in the entire galaxy, these two Jedi were among the most respected on the Jedi Council. Master Dorak served as a head Jedi Historian, having total authority and knowledge of the ancient Jedi's secrets and lore. While on Coruscant, Revan and Malak also studied extensively under Zhar Lestin "for additional training." Revan's "hunger to learn seemed insatiable," and he learned all he could from them. Eventually "there was nothing more to be learned from the Jedi," and he returned back to his first master - Kreia. However, these masters would train his redeemed self.
Revan learned from many other masters besides those two as well.
Where did he learn Juyo again?
Drew Kaprhshyn stated Revan Reborn was “was skilled in all” forms of lightsaber combat, which would obviously include Juyo. Likewise, given the fact Revan learned so much from the Jedi Order that Kreia mused there was nothing left he could possibly learn, Revan having knowledge on Juyo is utterly obvious. It’s supported by the fact he adopts a Juyo stance when preparing to confront a Jedi Strike Team, obviously confident in his knowledge on the form enough to defeat multiple powerful Jedi: (http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111140132/3798277-4396537584-Revan.jpg)
Because Surik mastered it via Master Kavar, the other forms from the Jedi High Council members and Kreia
In the dark side storyline, Kreia shows knowledge on the art of Juyo. It’s more than plausible she taught Revan the art. If not, it doesn’t matter, since we know he knows it anyway based off the evidence I listed above.
"Predictably, he seeks to unbalance you with his erratic attacks. His technique is called Juyo, the most chaotic of the lightsaber forms. This form sacrifices much to bolster one's offense, leaving one exposed to attack by the Force."
―Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
not just the out-of-shape Dantooine Jedi Enclave that had not been the same since Vodo's death.
lolwut.
The Jedi Enclave of Dantooine was a major staging ground for Jedi during the Jedi Civil Wars, and was one of the main places that offered them total peace and protection (until Darth Malak destroyed it of course). In fact, Bastila Shan comments on this:
Even the Sith would think twice before attacking Dantooine. There are many Jedi here, including several of the most powerful Masters of the Order. There is great strength within this place. We can get supplies here and recuperate. The Academy is a place of mental and spiritual healing; something we could all use after what we've been through.
―Bastila Shan (Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic)
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Warb Null was very powerful and highly skilled, his Dark Armor only boosted his prowess:
This is getting painful to respond to. You aren’t even debating, just spamming feats with no comparisons to anything I listed in my first response. Tell me why Warb Null being “very powerful and highly skilled” means something in the face of those Revan defeated, such as Darth Bandon.
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Ulic kills three Krath warriors, causing a trail of green energy before engaging Null, completely outspeeding him:
What point are you even referencing in this part? Or are you trying to form new arguments? Like, are you trying to say Revan couldn’t kill three Krath warriors by virtue of being utterly faster? Interesting.
Revan butchered armies of Echani warriors, complete masters of speed, combat, and precognition, en masse during the Jedi Civil Wars. This far, far outclasses Droma’s pathetic feat you listed above.
"The Echani rely heavily on hand-to-hand combat and personal shield technology, and they had their asses handed to them by Revan during the Jedi Civil War, because, not surprisingly, there weren't many people able to face Revan across a battlefield and survive the encounter. The greatest among the Echani are said to be able to read their opponent's moves so ell they can predict the path of a battle several seconds, sometimes even minues in advance, by gauging their opponent's fighting style, heart rate, and ther movements in combat. In many ways, the Echani see combat as a rapid dejarik game, calculating feints, attacks, and dodges with a speed that few can surpass."
―Chris Avellone (Knights of the Old Republic 2 Head Writer)
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Revan fought Ultimate on a bridge
And guess how Revan got to said bridge to battle Mandalore the Ultimate.
Probably by fighting through a capital-ship size armies of Mandalorians. 👆
compared to Ulic fighting Indomitable whom had a Basilisk war droid and fired it at Ulic, whom uses Force Barrier to tank the incoming fire, which has destroyed military fortifications and damaged capital ship hulls, casually:
He didn’t fight the Indomitable while dodging a Basilisk war droid. He fought Indomitable while on a Baslisk war droid. So, he fought a Baslisk war droid driven by an extremely skilled Mandalorian. Great.
Revan fought and destroyed countless Baslisk war droids during the Mandalorian Wars, all in which were driven by pilots who specifically knew how to handle Jedi through their experience in battles. The Indomitable didn’t even have this knowledge.
"Revan had fought plenty of Basilisks during his campaign against the Mandalorians."
―Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan
Ulic Qel-Droma eventually got the Indomitable on the ground, and then bested him in single combat. Like I said before, and like you failed to address, Mandalore the Ultimate has bested Malak, the second most powerful Jedi during the “prime of the Jedi,” with a single blow. His combat feats far outstrip the Indomitable, who doesn’t really have much to show for. Likewise, while the Ultimate was “no match” for Revan (despite the fact he might have just fought through an entire ship, and would thus be quite exhausted), Droma had difficulty besting the Indomitable:
“After a fearsome and dangerous duel, he gains the loyalty of a ferocious warrior race, led by their masked leader, Mandalore.”
―Tales of the Jedi: The Sith War 2: The Battle of Coruscant
If you want to go by character POV however:
Indeed, some did claim Freedon Nadd / Exar Kun were more powerful than Revan and Malak. Others, such as the Mandalore himself, stated Revan was the greatest warrior the galaxy had ever seen. What is your point?
Cay and Ulic dueled and Ulic came out on top, because he was better and stronger, which is considerable given Cay's own considerable powers:
Come on, this is getting ****ing annoying. You aren’t even responding to my points, just repeating the same garbage as last time. I specifically addressed this fight, and why the duel was not impressive.
Exar Kun was absolutely superior to Vodo Siosk-Baas in that contest:
Holy **** I’m getting physically ill. I specifically told you why Vodo Siosk-Baas was “no match” for Exar Kun - and why it wasn’t the reason you thought it was.
Respond to my ****ing points before you spam the same shit as last time. Just go to page two and look what I actually said. If you aren’t going to address them, don’t even bother responding, this post of yours is pathetic.
Infact Exar Kun was far more powerful than Ulic Qel-Droma, Vodo Siosk-Baas, Thon, Arca Jeth, Odan-Urr, Nomi Sunrider or any one Jedi of his time:Exar Kun being far more powerful than him is an extremely impressive accolade.
Indeed, very impressive, and certainly speaks volumes for Exar Kun’s power. Revan, in comparison, is “far more powerful” than a dark side abomination that was capable of consuming entire planets with “a thought” and telekinetically lifting, moving, and holding together entire fleets of Star Destroyers throughout space from the immense gravity vortex of Malachor V - Darth Nihilus. Your point? 😮💨
Revan's lightsaber knowledge/style is most well pointed out by Drew Karpyshyn, certainly greater than fanon theories on the matter. On that matter Drew claims Revan is primarily a Niman user but uses all forms, which is likely where you got the idea of his using Juyo. Unfortunately he still lacks any solid evidence for Revan being a master duelist, beyond character POV (ehich will shoot you in the foot) and Drew's opinion.
Yeah, you said that last time.
And I said how Drew was speaking of Revan Reborn, not SOR Revan.
Then you repeated the same exact thing in pretty much the same exact way.
Comparatively Exar Kun is a great master duelist:
I already addressed why Revan was a master duelist, so that’s irrelevant as an indication of Exar Kun’s superiority.
Exar Kun is infact ambidextrous in the weapon's use:
We already know that. Tell me why it matters while fighting Revan.
He is also a high tier master of the saberstaff and Jar'kai:
So is Bastila Shan.
Gnost-Dural also believes that Kun was unparalelled in the lightsaber prowess he achieved:
The praise Exar Kun received from Master Gnost-Dural was, while indeed impressive, contradictory to later statements by him. Master Gnost-Dural reported that Ulic Qel-Droma's skill in lightsaber combat was equal to that of Exar Kun, something that is supported by The Dark Side Sourcebook, Power of the Jedi Sourcebook, and the views of the ancient Dark Lord spectating the battle. You even admitted to this later in your response. Clearly he had not achieved, well, "unparalleled prowess in lightsaber combat."
I will however acknowledge the point of this hype: that Exar Kun, even as a Jedi, was among the greatest lightsaber combatants of the Jedi Order. Revan, however, has the same, if not greater, praise for his combat abilities. The Mandalorian people, especially those like Canderous Ordo (who would later become Mandalore himself), credited Revan as not just the greatest warrior of not only the age - but of all of the Republic's history (and thus Revan is greater than Exar Kun in the eyes of the Mandalorians). This monumental praise from a warrior culture that had developed a deep, unyielding hatred for the Jedi speaks for itself, I believe.
Revan was also praised by the Cathar people, a species renowned for their great hunters and warriors. Juhani and the rest of the Cathar perceived Revan as literally godlike. Likewise, the Echani, another warrior culture that even rivaled that of the Mandalorians, considered Revan to be greater than them all. They respected his skill and mastery of battle even while he butchered them without mercy.
Ultimately, while Exar Kun has praise stating he was among the most skilled of the Jedi Order (as you kindly shown above), the praise Revan received from three additional warrior cultures outshines what Gnost-Dural had to offer. And this, my friend, is merely a scratch into the vast world of Revan praise.
Holy s*** you wrecked Ant.
@Kulvax:
I hardly even formed any Revan arguments in my post. It was mostly just debunking yours, tbh.
In comparison to you copying and pasting respect threads like it is no tomorrow. mmm
I would hardly claim "desperation" when I haven't mentioned any of Revan's best feats yet, lmfao.
I have only mentioned Mandalore, the Echani, and Bandon at this point, to my knowledge.
I was angry at your failure to respond to my points, not that you put Kun > Revan or anything of that sort.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Malak>Kun
Revan>Malak
Revan>KunObviously.
😉
WOW, that was the best you could come out with?
First your response was literally just getting pissed off at feats/accolades and dismissing them because you had nothing else and then the best you can come out with is yet more baseless trolling debunked a year ago? Pathetic.
You really have lost your edge considerably, ah well, better than hearing Revan = Yoda in that blog of your's again.
WOW, that was the best you could come out with?
Depends what you are referring to.
First your response was literally just getting pissed off at feats/accolades
and dismissing them because you had nothing else
You countered nearly none of mine.
Do I really need to go through the debate and pick out every point made to make this clear to you?
Because I can gladly do so if you need me to show you.
and then the best you can come out with is yet more baseless trolling debunked a year ago? Pathetic.
Direct me to where.
You really have lost your edge considerably, ah well, better than hearing Revan = Yoda in that blog of your's again.
Ooo, more insults. Insult the fact I put Revan above Plagueis too, that's probably a good one. 👆
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It's ****ing funny to see you so mad. Please continue with moar anger next post.
