Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
Bastila's nigh indistinguishable showings in Battle Meditation on the Star Forge pre and post redemption come to mind
If you want to make Ant drop the argument, that's not the right example to use.
Just mention Meetra on Malachor V and watch him backtrack about how powerful Nexus' are.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
My last edit was 10:52 PM - your post telling me to do so was 10:53 PM.Unless you didn't notice I mainly added the big bold "DISCLAIMER" thing.
Besides, if I did have your name, it's not there anymore, so no harm done. 👆
Now please, leave the thread or say something useful to the discussion at hand.
Merely meaning that you preempted the idea and further edited so you could claim innocence. First you deleted one mention of my name and changed the other from "Nephthys" to "the Nephthys brigade" and then you deleted all mentions. I'm sure other people saw it, I don't know why you're bothering to lie about it.
Originally posted by Aurbere
Fair enough. But I never really stated how much the nexus affects an individual, merely that they shouldn't be indications of power under certain circumstances. I mean, we wouldn't say Vjun Dooku is the same as the Dooku who appears in ROTS, right?
No, but divide an attack that can level a city block by 2 and you still generally have a city block level attack
At worst it just takes out a substantially large building
Associating yourself with a joules energy magnitude scale will do wonders to show you how little this kind of multiplier effects shit
I generally wouldn't conclude most potent nexus offer much more than an additive to minor multiplier in terms of energy just judging what they fail to do to light siders.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
[B]For Bastila at least, I was always under the impression that somehow Battle Meditation cancels out the effects of a nexus due to BM's empowering nature.
Not like she's using battlemind to psych herself up first of all
Secondly, wouldn't know why you'd think at all
Where's this come from? :hmm
Like, Exar Kun is simply unable to draw on the light side due to the nexus' of Korriban and Yavin IV - both which don't even compare to the Star Forge.
Narrative didn't really feel like that's what happened to me
More like that calling on the dark side the first time at all made Kun's efforts to use the light there after nigh impossible
May have been retconned later, but **** if I know
Fact is, at the very minimum, you've got nexuses acting ****ing inconsistent, with the majority of showings more going the way of Thon than Kun.
For Thon, interesting thinking. However, the feat is regarded as legendary for a reason, tbh. I also bet it took a lot of effort, energies, strain, etc to do it.
Its not legendary when a potent psychometric can view the feat with clarity and we're given a description of what happened via multiple sources
Unless you mean legendary in the sense of amazing raw power
The effort is meaningless compared to the fact an exponential increase on a nexus like Ambria would mean Thon was diminished from a square of a ****ing solar flare in terms of energy (the nexus was formed from a ritual more powerful than any known release of dark side energy to the jedi at the time, ergo Sadow's flares).
A signficant divisor would still give ridiculously high figures for his normal sitting power
I'll bite.
1.) Is Darth Bane the weakest member of the Rule of Two, which is the entire point of well... the Rule of Two?
It's possible, but not guaranteed. The Order of the Sith Lords suffered setbacks and the grand plan didn't go exactly as expected. Even if Bane is the weakest, he is still part of an elite order that boasts some of the most powerful Dark Lords in the mythos.
2.) Does nexus' have a major impact on feats, and should they be used as an indication of power in Bane debates?
This is the crux of the debate around Bane. Certain users on this board will go to the extreme and call Bane fodder material because he does not have many non-nexus feats. Other users will make inferences on roughly how powerful he should be. Drew intended for Bane, Revan, and Vader to all be on the same tier. I'll skip this one for now.
3.) Is Darth Bane, well, a powerful and skilled opponent, or was that what he wanted as the end product of the Rule of Two?
Both. Darth Bane was an absolute prodigy of the Force. He became the most powerful Sith Lord in the galaxy with just a few years of training. Some people argue the Sith of this era were weaker than other eras, but even if this is true, surpassing all the other Sith this fast is still very impressive.
a.) Darth Bane vs Uthar Wynn
b.) Darth Bane vs Asajj Ventress
c.) Darth Bane vs Darth Maul
d.) Darth Bane vs Darth Vader
e). Darth Bane vs rots!Palpatine
I think Bane loses at E, but could lose at D.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
@Chaos: I'll get back to you soon. Responding to the Kun vs Revan debate atm.
No rush
And further examples I have are Arca Jeth vs Freedon Nadd's power on the Nexus created by Nadd's considerable power
Ulic vs Freedon Nadd empowered Ommin tanking his bolts of "infinite hatred" on Onderon's nexus
Nomi Sunrider, in that big ass citadel that was a dark side nexus potent enough to **** with her senses, could survive an enraged and irrational and obviously amped by the nexus Qel-Droma's Force Lightning from his amulet
Once more, an exponential increase should have led to far more deaths on the latter 2's part
Significant multipliers would indicate signficant advantage to the light siders on neutral ground (something especially bullshit in the Nomi scenario)
I'm sure I can dredge up plenty more if I can bother if need be too :hmm
Originally posted by Aurbere
I don't really understand what is going on between you two (Neph and Ant), but it's kind of derailing a thread that can be very helpful. I for one believe that a community should have some understanding of a character if they prove controversial. So, with that in mind, I'll make my own contribution.1.) Is Darth Bane the weakest member of the Rule of Two, which is the entire point of well... the Rule of Two?
I've always believed that this should be the case. He should logically be the weakest of the Rule of Two, since the point was to create a line to create a Sith strong enough to take down the Republic. And there are quotes saying this.
2.) Does nexus' have a major impact on feats, and should they be used as an indication of power in Bane debates?
They should, obviously, have an impact on his feats. They give him more power to draw on. I don't think they should be used as indications of his power.
3.) Is Darth Bane, well, a powerful and skilled opponent, or was that what he wanted as the end product of the Rule of Two?
He is obviously powerful and skilled, but not in the same league as the end of his line.
a.) Darth Bane vs Uthar Wynn
Win.
b.) Darth Bane vs Asajj Ventress
Win, perhaps.
c.) Darth Bane vs Darth Maul
Loses.
d.) Darth Bane vs Darth Vader
Loses.
a). Darth Bane vs rots!Palpatine
Loses pretty badly.
My thoughts. Maybe now the thread can go in the proper direction.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Chaos, do you mind if I get back to you tomorrow? I have the thread bookmarked atm so I won't forget.And ah, Sinious, if you are reading this, I'll respond to our little Revan vs Vitiate debate tomorrow as well.
I'll quote you what I said to SunRazer/ShootingNova yesterday
Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
No rushYou're on an internet forum discussing one of the most subjective forms of debate that can pretend to be objective
This is essentially just for shits and giggles, no one's rushing you dude :maybe