GT Vegeta (SSJ2) vs. GT Goku (base)

Vegeta SSJ2

vs.

Base Goku (chibi)

Vegeta of course.

Did Goku in base affect SUper 17 when SSJ2 Vegeta didn't? Or am I remembering this wrong? I hope I'm remembering this wrong

^ I don't think Goku fought S17 in base.

He definitely did better against him as a SSJ then all of the Z Fighters did, though.

That's what I'm thinking of then

Vegeta stomps in SSJ1

Originally posted by Based
Vegeta stomps in SSJ1

Base Goku made a quick work out of SSJ Gohan and SSJ Goten.

SSJ Vegeta had a much harder time against SSJ Gohan and Base Goten.

Lol base Goku vs SSJ2.

I wonder who wins😂

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Lol base Goku vs SSJ2.

I wonder who wins😂

Goku in GT was ridiculously powerful. Even in his base state.

There's a reason why it's called "Goku Time" on message boards.

Goku wins

I think by the time of the Shadow Dragons Saga, Vegeta's on par with Goku overall

If they're both the SD Saga versions of themselves, Vegeta stomps

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Goku in GT was ridiculously powerful. Even in his base state.

There's a reason why it's called "Goku Time" on message boards.

Lol, good call

Base Goku and Vegeta have to be around the same level of power in order for the Fusion to work. It wouldn't make sense if Vegeta was THAT badly outclassed by Goku in just his base form. SSJ4 is just a multiplier, not an immediate equalizer.

Vegeta needed to be amped by Blutz waves to reach SSJ4.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Vegeta needed to be amped by Blutz waves to reach SSJ4.

So did Goku

Originally posted by juggerman
So did Goku

Is it really the same, though?

Natural transformation and the artificial one?

Dragoon has a point, maybe they were equals in SD saga, but certainly not before that.

I don't think there was a difference between natural and unnatural blutz waves. Remember Vegeta could create the fake moon to transform.

Also correct me if I'm wrong but Vegeta didn't have a tail at that point right? So maybe he needed the machine because of that

You are correct, he didn't have the tail.

But Bulma's machine was quite powerful, didn't she use it to restore Baby...

Fusion Reborn, which most likely is canon to GT, had stronger Goku fusing with weaker Vegeta, I guess Goku simply lowered his ki.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

Fusion Reborn, which most likely is canon to GT, had stronger Goku fusing with weaker Vegeta, I guess Goku simply lowered his ki.

Both Goku and Vegeta were in base when they fused in that movie

I just assume they have rough parity when they have the same forms, unless explicitly stated, like Vegeta needing the Majin boost to be even with SSJ2 Goku

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Base Goku and Vegeta have to be around the same level of power in order for the Fusion to work. It wouldn't make sense if Vegeta was THAT badly outclassed by Goku in just his base form. SSJ4 is just a multiplier, not an immediate equalizer.

I guess my point is that since Vegeta was demonstrably weaker than Goku in base/SSJ/SSJ2(see his battle with Super 17), and with SSJ4 he matched a powered-up SSJ4 Goku, it would mean Vegeta got a much larger boost from SSJ4 than Goku... Because you're right: SSJ4 Goku=SSJ4 Vegeta--that's why they were able to use Metamoran fusion without adjusting their ki beforehand.