Originally posted by Bardock42
I disagree, I'm pro-American, I love America. I just don't like Republican policy. And I don't like some societal aspects.The weather is actually quite nice in many parts of Europe.
BS, it's not nice unless you in southern France.
And you told me you didn't like America.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
BS, it's not nice unless you in southern France.And you told me you didn't like America.
Southern France is a part of Europe...so is Italy and Spain and Croatia and lots of other places with traditionally nice (i.e. warm and sunny) weather.
When did I tell you that?
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I guess I'm mainly talking about Germany.
Oh okay, well I was confused by you saying Europe repeatedly.
Germany doesn't have nice southern beaches, that is true, and it has distinctive seasons, in the summer it gets quite warm though if you like that. For example this week it was around 93°F where I live. It's been a bit too hot for my taste really.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
No your Anti American, and what's worse if that you and all the liberals here like Omega agree, so you can see why I have a problem with it.
The majority of the US voted for a liberal (slightly liberal, but still) president twice in a row.
Don't accidentally conflate conservatives with America in general. They're only one potion of the populace, not the majority, and many Americans disagree with them.
Originally posted by Bardock42
I disagree, I'm pro-American, I love America. I just don't like Republican policy. And I don't like some societal aspects.
I think you mean that you don't like some GOP policies.
Because some of them (I dare say upwards of 40%) are things you definitely agree with.
And I should note that if you picked from column A on one GOP member, and column B on another (and so forth), you could end up with the most liberal, progressive, left winger for any incumbent in the US.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Republican_Party.htm
Let's go down the issues on things I agree with from the GOP:
1. Support human life amendment; oppose abortion funding. (Aug 2012) - -Disagree
2. Promote adoption & abstinence, not abortion clinic referrals. (Sep 2004) - Mostly Disagree
3. Human Life Amendment to the Constitution. (Sep 2004) - Mostly disagree
4. Ban abortion with Constitutional amendment. (Aug 2000) - disagree
5. Alternatives like adoption, instead of punitive action. (Aug 2000) - agree.
To sum up my stance on abortion, safe sex education, free contraceptives, strong discouragement for non-medical (I include psychological under medical which means a rape or incest victim would be included under medical coverage) abortions, and strong adoption programs. I'd keep the cap at 5 months: no abortions after 5 months.
1. Inflation is a hidden regressive tax. (Aug 2012) - somewhat agree. This is a semantic/philosophical argument.
2. Audit the Federal Reserve; bring more transparency. (Aug 2012) - Super strongly agree. I couldn't agree on something any harder. Rawr!
3. Balanced Budget Amendment & super-majority for tax increase. (Aug 2012) - Strongly agree.
4. Shrink the FHA, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. (Aug 2012) - agree.
5. OpEd: If spending is a problem, identify & eliminate waste. (Apr 2012) - Agree but my stance is far stronger than this.
6. OpEd: Democrats are addicted to spending. (Jan 2012) - strongly agree but so are Republicans.
1. Constitutionally define marriage as one man & one woman. (Aug 2012) - Very strongly disagree and f*ck the bigoted assholes who believe this.
2. 2006: Federalize gay marriage via Constitutional Amendment. (Apr 2008) - Agree (notice how this opposes #1...which should tell you to not just hand waive all of the GOP's major stances).
3. 2005: Southern Strategy was wrong; move to Hispanic Strategy. (Oct 2007) - This is probably before our time (we were both children when this came about in the late 90s). But, obviously, the Southern Strategy was wrong as hell. And targeting the Hispanic population for potential votes is OBVIOUSLY a good strategy. So, agreed on this one.
4. Marriage is legal union of one man and one woman. (Sep 2006) - Strongly disagree. It could be 2 men, 1 woman, 4 women 1 man, 1 man, 1 woman, and so forth. Then gender queer, asexual, etc. Marriage should be between any consenting adults. Period.
5. The Patriot Act is used to track terrorist activity. (Sep 2004) - Yes it is. But it is unconstitutional and one of the worst pieces of legislation in modern history. Abolish this shit.
6. Homosexuality is incompatible with military service. (Sep 2004) - Disagree. Source: the dozen or so men in my family that are serving or have served in the military and give zero shits about whether or not the man next to them is gay.
7. Support the advancement of women in the military. (Sep 2004) - Strongly agree.
8. States should not recognize gay marriage from other states. (Sep 2004) - This one is iffy. I disagree but i do understand and somewhat agree with the logic of allowing states to have more civil right autonomy which is how the constitution was designed to work.
9. Affirmative Access, without preferences or set-asides. (Sep 2004) - Tough one. Affirmative Access is less racist than affirmative action (little known fact about AA programs...they can actually be used to be more racist...funny, you don't hear libtards talking about that). I still disagree with programs like these because it forces colleges to rely far too much on grades such as the system Texas used. And since there are millions of more poor white people than any other group of people in the US, it should be obvious that programs should not favor one race over the other but, rather, help the poor, equally.
10. Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage. (Sep 2004) - disagree.
11. Strong support for traditional definition of marriage. (Aug 2000) - Disagree.
12. Let Boy Scouts exercise free speech (ok to ban gays). (Aug 2000) - Strongly agree. But let organizations lose federal funding if they discriminate on things such as race, sexual orientation, gender, religion, etc.
13. Women exempt from combat; “candid analysis” of military gays. (Aug 2000) - Strongly disagree. Let women take bullets and bombs for me all the same as men.
Originally posted by Q99
The majority of the US voted for a liberal (slightly liberal, but still) president twice in a row.
Yeah, and hopefully, they've finally learned what a huge mistake that was. Look where it has gotten us. Our national debt has nearly doubled. Our military is a shadow of what it used to be, no one fears it like they used to with Obama in charge, and the country is more divided now than it ever was thanks to racial baiting.
Also, you're crazy if you don't think illegal immigrants (unregistered democratic voters) didn't influence the outcome of last two elections. Don't really understand what u think you're proving exactly by saying the U.S. elected a liberal twice in a row. You seem to think the majority of U.S. has never voted for a conservative twice in a row. LOL.
And since the edit feature and posting is utterly ****ed on this site, I'll just make more posts.
1. Criminals behind bars cannot harm the public. (Aug 2012) - Meanwhile, criminals still continue to harm the public that are not behind bars and we have a very stupid high recidivism rate for a Western, modern, nation. Why? Because we are barbarians in our criminal justice system. It's time to overhaul our criminal justice system. We need to throw away ideas like "Criminals can't harm the public while behind bars!" How about stopping a person from becoming a criminal to begin with? If you stop a person from harming the public, to begin with, how much better is that than isolating a criminal from the public? How much better is it to prevent a criminal from repeat offending once released? Aha! Suck it, GOP. Disagree with the ideas behind this argument.
2. Support the death penalty. (Sep 2004) - Disagree. Death penalty should only be used in cases where a criminal refuses rehabilitation and is 100% guilty (overwhelming evidence that they are guilty). Cold-blooded gang-bangers and mass murders are some of the types that would fit this case IF caught with absurdly convincing evidence.
3. Best way to deter crime is to enforce existing laws. (Sep 2004) - Best way to deter crime is tackle poverty and other social issues that create criminals to begin with. Disagree with this red herring and factually incorrect statement.
4. More victims rights and harsher penalties for certain crimes. (Aug 2000) - Disagree. Spend that money on rehabilitating and reintegrating criminals back into society. Incarceration should not be about penalties.
5. Death penalty is an effective deterrent. (Aug 2000) - Factually incorrect. http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterrence-states-without-death-penalty-have-had-consistently-lower-murder-rates#stateswithvwithout
1. Jail time and school drug testing deters drug use. (Sep 2004) - Factually incorrect. No jail time and rehab programs deter drug use.
2. Clinton surrendered Drug War; cry out for drug-free schools. (Aug 2000) - Disagree. And end the war on drugs.
3. Aggressively pursue drug kingpins; include death penalty. (Aug 2000) - Disagree. Legalize drugs, pardon non-violent drug offenders, and fine the shit out of illegal drug dealers (kingpins).
1. Shift to community colleges and technical institutions. (Aug 2012) - Agree. Classical university type education is just not very applicable to most jobs, these days. And studies show that good grades at "uni" do not make correlate very well to good employees. It's cognitive control.
2. No federal college loans; just insure private loans. (Aug 2012) - Agree. Obama f*cked up, majorly, with his overhaul with the Direct Loan programs. Trust me: that's literally what line of business I am in.
3. Promote school choice and home-schooling. (Sep 2004) - Agree.
4. Support voluntary student-initiated prayer in school. (Sep 2004) - Agree.
5.Limit role of federal government in education. (Aug 2000) - Too ambiguous to know what this means.
6. Increase access to higher education with savings accounts. (Aug 2000) - Agree. Social Security benefits should pay for this...maybe? Meaning, parents are forced to pay for children's higher education through their social security.
7. Achievement is basis for access to college. (Aug 2000) - Agreed. Poor students who put in effort but are not extremely smart are at a disadvantage. provide safety nets for them to go to colleges and vocational/technical schools. College should be free (private universities would not be included in this, obviously).
Originally posted by Digi
I'd happily run as the socially hyper-liberal, economically hyper-conservative candidate that has a few really vocal supporters on the internet and in the academic and business worlds, but no real voter base to speak of.