Republican Primary Debates

Originally posted by Newjak
So I've seen you mention something a few times in this thread.

You keep saying that you're not saying the death penalty is not a deterrent but you keep following that statement up with the caveat of especially with the inefficient system. It's like you keep saying if only we made the death penalty easier to carry out it would be a deterrent.

Is this a correct assessment of how view the death penalty as a deterrent?

Saudi Arabia has a pretty streamlined death penalty, and yet people still keep committing crimes that warrant it, and I'm not even talking about the bullshit ones like witchcraft.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/05/saudi-arabia-90-executions-this-year-beat-2014s-disgraceful-record/

Basically half their executions are for drug related violations, and yet people keep breaking those laws.

Originally posted by Robtard
You're probably just trollololing, but generally the people who are against the DP are for a woman's right over her own body (pro abortion rights).

This is so the pro-DP and anti-abortion people can make the "kill the babies but save the criminals!" rant towards liberals that is and has always been so effective at making a point.

So, protect lives of criminals over justice for the victims but protect women's rights to their bodies for 9months over innocent babies' lives?

Geez. Very messed up position if you ask me.

Personally, I am against both the death penalty and abortion....

Originally posted by Nibedicus
So, protect lives of criminals over justice for the victims but protect women's rights to their bodies for 9months over innocent babies' lives?

Did you just hop in? Read the last couple pages. Get yerself caught up.

Originally posted by Digi
Did you just hop in? Read the last couple pages. Get yerself caught up.

No.

uhuh

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But yes, I just hopped in. But I did read the last few pages, what exactly do I need to catch up on?

LOL@people who can't distinguish between "murder" and rightfully executing someone. Punishing murderers with execution is not murder you libtards. Get that thru your thick skulls. I bet if any of you so-called "enlightened" (LMAO) ones had a very close family member killed in a brutal or sadistic way then you'd be changing your tune.

In the end, I think it should be left up to the grieving victims' families on whether or not the murdering bastard should be executed. If they can somehow find it in their hearts to forgive the convicted killer then I'm fine with that. But, otoh, if they want proper justice for their deceased loved one by having killer executed then you "enlightened" know-it-alls have no phucking right to deny it to them. PERIOD.

Originally posted by psmith81992
Uhuh, you've never provided a single point on anything here so I don't think we're taking your posts seriously at any point. At least DDM is offering something. You seem to throw around words like "civilized" and "barbaric" without understanding them. It IS quite amusing 😂

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Originally posted by psmith81992
Now I know where my taxes are going. It's to the mentally challenged "aww bless" child.

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Originally posted by Nibedicus
I know it's off topic, but the same ppl against the death penalty are also strongly against abortion, right?

Right?

Many of them are, yes. They are the ones who claim to be so "enlightened" too. LMAO.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
I know it's off topic, but the same ppl against the death penalty are also strongly against abortion, right?

Right?

I am against the death penalty, and for the right to abortion (for reasons we have previously discussed).

Originally posted by Nibedicus
I know it's off topic, but the same ppl against the death penalty are also strongly against abortion, right?

Right?

Sorry, I read your post wrong in my first reply to this. What I meant to say was that many of people who are against death penalty are for abortion. Too late to edit my original reply.

Originally posted by Star428
LOL@people who can't distinguish between "murder" and rightfully executing someone. Punishing murderers with execution is not murder you libtards. Get that thru your thick skulls. I bet if any of you so-called "enlightened" (LMAO) ones had a very close family member killed in a brutal or sadistic way then you'd be changing your tune.

In the end, I think it should be left up to the grieving victims' families on whether or not the murdering bastard should be executed. If they can somehow find it in their hearts to forgive the convicted killer then I'm fine with that. But, otoh, if they want proper justice for their deceased loved one by having killer executed then you "enlightened" know-it-alls have no phucking right to deny it to them. PERIOD.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Saudi Arabia has a pretty streamlined death penalty, and yet people still keep committing crimes that warrant it, and I'm not even talking about the bullshit ones like witchcraft.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/05/saudi-arabia-90-executions-this-year-beat-2014s-disgraceful-record/

Basically half their executions are for drug related violations, and yet people keep breaking those laws.

Uh OV? A streamlined process has to have some legitimacy to its efficiency. And I have been talking about the appeals process. Saudi Arabia has none of that. Moreover:

Many defendants in Saudi Arabia, including those sentenced to death, are convicted after flawed court proceedings that routinely fall far short of international standards for a fair trial. They are often convicted solely on the basis of “confessions” obtained under duress, denied legal representation in trials which are sometimes held in secret and are not kept informed of the progress of the legal proceedings in their case.

For some crimes punishable by death, the Supreme Court has recently confirmed that judges do not need to prove guilt but can sentence someone to death at their own discretion based on suspicion alone.

Yeah, that doesn't sound right.

I am for the DP, but I have no problem with abortion to be honest. Pieces of shit who murder need to be put down. You might say "but abortion is murder" but no, to me it is not.

I'm pro choice anti abortion for the most part.

Ok, back to the debate results! Morning Consult has after-debate poll, with change from its before-debate poll listed:

Trump 32% (+ 7% compared to the previous poll)
Bush 11% (- 1%)
Carson 9% (+ 2%)
Rubio 6% (=)
Walker 6% (- 2%)
Paul 5% (=)
Christie 4% (+ 1%)
Cruz 4% (- 3%)
Huckabee 4% (- 1%)
Fiorina 3% (+ 2%)
Kasich 3% (+ 1%)
Santorum 1% (- 1%)
Perry 1% (- 2%)
Graham 1% (+ 1%)
Jindal 1% (- 2%)
Pataki 0% (- 1%)
Other 1% (?)
Undecided 8% (- 2%)

An Atlas poster had a good summary of the post-debate polls, minus the Reuters one above:

Averaging together gains/losses from the Iowa PPP, Arizona, Morning Consort, and SurveyMonkey polls we get:

Fiorina: +4.75
Cruz: +3.75
Carson: +3
Rubio: +2.75
Huckabee: +1.5
Paul: -0.25
Trump: -0.5
Christie: -0.5
Kasich: -1
Bush: -2
Walker: -5

Fiorina and Carson gain in every poll. Cruz gains (and by a lot) in 3 out of the 4. Nearly all of Rubio's gains are from the Arizona poll, the other 3 show him with little to no change.

Every poll has Walker losing big. 3 out of 4 have Bush losing. Trump's results are erratic, one poll shows him gaining a lot, one shows him loosing a lot, and 2 show him remaining where he is.

I'm not sure why Bush is losing. He had a very good debate. He's more center right than anyone else up there (except maybe Carson), and he's likable.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Just in case anyone here doesn't catch this, he's literally a proponent of legalized revenge, which ddm argued against.

I'm wondering if you'd call our capital punishment a version of legalized revenge, because that would desperately be reaching. I notice you're from LA so I expect a self proclaimed enlightened rebuttal that makes zero sense whatsoever.

Btw, I don't even know what Star said, I'm just familiar with "retards" who call our version of justice "legalized revenge" to make their argument stick.