Originally posted by yungz22
idk he has so many that and including the speed feats ppl like aizen have shown show that he is faster than anything naruto has done.....which wouldnt really mean anything because i dont really see how he would beat naruto (the demi god)
You still haven't given a single feat that puts ANYONE from Bleach above even Konohamaru in terms of speed.
Go ahead, we're waiting.
Disappearing, or blitzing someone, isn't a feat, btw. Even assuming the whole series scaled accurately, that could be lowballed to Bleach characters being mach 2, all the way up to FTL. Neither are true, but you seem to have a problem with calcs, so let's see a feat. Go on, we're waiting.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
You still haven't given a single feat that puts ANYONE from Bleach above even Konohamaru in terms of speed.Go ahead, we're waiting.
Disappearing, or blitzing someone, isn't a feat, btw. Even assuming the whole series scaled accurately, that could be lowballed to Bleach characters being mach 2, all the way up to FTL. Neither are true, but you seem to have a problem with calcs, so let's see a feat. Go on, we're waiting.
lmaoo bleach characters are way higher than mach two show me a calc saying they are that low and i never said anyone in bleach is ftl.
how about when all of these characters in bleach travel miles within seconds in bleach while during the war naruto took forever to get to certain parts of it..
also im agreeing saying ichigo would lose idk why you so offensive when characters you love are inferior to others in certain aspect.
show me naruto physically moving the great distances ichigo, aizen and other captian level ppl have travelled in a faster amount of time
I wouldn't say OBW is an overly reliable source.
As for this fight, if you assume energy equivalency (Ichigo's has Six Paths Senjutsu characteristics) and then restrict energy attacks (multi-nature Rasengans, and Biju Bombs), then this could be a close fight.
Naruto would still win though. He's stronger, faster, and more durable; and if needbe, he still has Shadow Clones and Kurama Mode to fall back on.
Originally posted by yungz22
lmaoo bleach characters are way higher than mach two show me a calc saying they are that low and i never said anyone in bleach is ftl.how about when all of these characters in bleach travel miles within seconds in bleach while during the war naruto took forever to get to certain parts of it..
also im agreeing saying ichigo would lose idk why you so offensive when characters you love are inferior to others in certain aspect.
show me naruto physically moving the great distances ichigo, aizen and other captian level ppl have travelled in a faster amount of time
I'm aware, but they have no feats/statements proving that they're not. Aizen in his base form was mach 23-25, when fighting all the captains in Karakura town, after they beat the Espada. I can provide the calc, if you'd like.
The entire war lasted two days. And Naruto was only present for one day of it. Naruto made his way to all the battlefields, and ended the fighting in minutes. This means he flew all around the world, casually enough to make it to save all his friends, WHILE fighting in between. This was before he even learned Hiraishin.
What Bleach character has travelled miles in a second? None of them. There was one statement, in the English Dub, where Yamamoto stated that Kyoraku had leaped an entire mile in his flash step. But the Shunpo is a teleportation-esque technique. The characters cannot fight while in mid-shunpo.
And Naruto characters have ACTUAL feats. They don't need to rely on OBW style pixel-scaling to give their feats backbones. Raikage level characters are faster than lightning itself. That is mach 285. And characters like Madara have outsped characters while using Hiraishin. Which is light speed.
So again, post some feats putting Bleach speed at the level you're claiming it to be, or shut the hell up. 👆
Originally posted by NewGuy01
I wouldn't say OBW is an overly reliable source.As for this fight, if you assume energy equivalency (Ichigo's has Six Paths Senjutsu characteristics) and then restrict energy attacks (multi-nature Rasengans, and Biju Bombs), then this could be a close fight.
Naruto would still win though. He's stronger, faster, and more durable; and if needbe, he still has Shadow Clones and Kurama Mode to fall back on.
Energy equivalence only works for chakra, not Senjutsu.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
I'm aware, but they have no feats/statements proving that they're not. Aizen in his base form was mach 23-25, when fighting all the captains in Karakura town, after they beat the Espada. I can provide the calc, if you'd like.The entire war lasted two days. And Naruto was only present for one day of it. Naruto made his way to all the battlefields, and ended the fighting in minutes. This means he flew all around the world, casually enough to make it to save all his friends, WHILE fighting in between. This was before he even learned Hiraishin.
What Bleach character has travelled miles in a second? None of them. There was one statement, in the English Dub, where Yamamoto stated that Kyoraku had leaped an entire mile in his flash step. But the Shunpo is a teleportation-esque technique. The characters cannot fight while in mid-shunpo.
And Naruto characters have ACTUAL feats. They don't need to rely on OBW style pixel-scaling to give their feats backbones. Raikage level characters are faster than lightning itself. That is mach 285. And characters like Madara have outsped characters while using Hiraishin. Which is light speed.
So again, post some feats putting Bleach speed at the level you're claiming it to be, or shut the hell up. 👆
i never said miles in a second read it again there is a s behind it.
hiraishin isnt lightspeed travel its teleportation
how about when kyoraku travelled miles within a couple seconds againt yama ji and thats only in soul society arc.
or ichigo face palming aizen and travelling a sistace that it would take a couple hours to reach
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Sure, but that doesn't change that they atomize whatever they touch and that energy attacks don't work on them.So unless Ichigo can fire air cannons like Gai, he can forget about that. Without Senjutsu, physical and energy attacks don't work on Naruto or Madara or Obito.
Okay I see my OBW joke isn't going anywhere so I'll stop.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Dangai Ichigo does have that hill busting feat when fighting Aizen. So that's something. Then again Naruto in a less powerful form blocked a moon cutting attack.Okay I see my OBW joke isn't going anywhere so I'll stop.
Has Naruto been hurt by less than moon cutting?
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Goudama shields can still be broken with enough physical force assuming Ichigo can generate such power.Afterall current Ichigo has continental power...or something ridiculous like that for some reason 😐
But the thing is, even if you're physical force, f you come in contact with the orb, you will get disentagrated.
Physical force can only works if Ichigo surpasses Gai, and so far Ichigo hasn't done crap yet that would even put him in 7th gate radar, let alone 8th gate.
Also no, Ichigo does not have continental power, i have no idea were you got that from.
Originally posted by carver9
Has Naruto been hurt by less than moon cutting?
Originally posted by SquallX
But the thing is, even if you're physical force, f you come in contact with the orb, you will get disentagrated.Physical force can only works if Ichigo surpasses Gai, and so far Ichigo hasn't done crap yet that would even put him in 7th gate radar, let alone 8th gate.
Also no, Ichigo does not have continental power, i have no idea were you got that from.
The second post was a joke about OBW stats that appears to have gone nowhere. You can read up here if you want though I don't recommend it :http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Ichigo_Kurosaki
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
The stuff that could kill him was still better that what this version of Ichigo could do.The first part of my post was there to merely state that Ichigo had a means of using blunt force w/o direct contact.
The second post was a joke about OBW stats that appears to have gone nowhere. You can read up here if you want though I don't recommend it :http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Ichigo_Kurosaki
Yes you're right, Ichigo does have the means of using blunt force to attack, i might have interpret you're wording into said blunt force doing any damage.
As the 2nd one, i might read just to get a chuckle.
Originally posted by yungz22
i never said miles in a second read it again there is a s behind it.hiraishin isnt lightspeed travel its teleportation
how about when kyoraku travelled miles within a couple seconds againt yama ji and thats only in soul society arc.
or ichigo face palming aizen and travelling a sistace that it would take a couple hours to reach
1. Okay. Show me a feat of a Bleach character traveling a mile in, "seconds". Unless by seconds, you mean enough seconds to equate to minutes, or hours, then you're wrong. 👆
2. It is light speed teleportation. We have had this argument before. And I won. Do I need to redirect you to the scans?
3. That was an anime-only, English dubbing error. Which I just addressed, actually. And it was only a single mile, and still in an unspecified time-frame.
And also, Kyoraku was still enough of a super high tier to best the Primavera in his ressurection, without even using bankai. That was without any training from the SS arc, to the Arrancar arc. Same with Yamamoto. Just him being in an earlier arc, doesn't mean it's a low showing. Especially with Bleach. 👆
4. Show me where the distance, or time-frame, of Ichigo's face-palm, was explained.
It. Wasn't.
Stop making things up, and stop lying about things that everyone can look up. You're just proving to everyone on here that everything I say about you is true.
For once, just try not to prove me right? 👇
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
The stuff that could kill him was still better that what this version of Ichigo could do.
Um... Like what? What could have killed Naruto, that Ichigo could have survived?
The planet busting Goudama from Kaguya is the only thing that could have killed him, aside from having Kyuubi taken from him. Which kills anyone, no matter what.
And Ichigo was damaged by a city block buster. His arm was severely burnt by it. A full city buster, let alone a state-country buster, would have turned Ichigo into exotic energies. Meaning he would die.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
The first part of my post was there to merely state that Ichigo had a means of using blunt force w/o direct contact.The second post was a joke about OBW stats that appears to have gone nowhere. You can read up here if you want though I don't recommend it :http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Ichigo_Kurosaki
Um... So? Naruto's durability in base form was enough to kick away a Goudama. Meaning he has easily country level durability. Ichigo couldn't scratch him, if Naruto sat there and let him hit him with a full powered Final Getsugatensho.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
The second post was a joke about OBW stats that appears to have gone nowhere. You can read up here if you want though I don't recommend it :http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Ichigo_Kurosaki
Yeah, that wiki is so retarded that it puts Ichigo as a town+ buster from pulverizing half a mansion.
And saying that his Getsuga knocking back Juha Bach makes him a continent buster, is completely ludicrous.
Juha's best feat is being blown back 1,000 miles by what'shisname. And that's... Not even a feat.
Even claiming him to be a hundred times stronger than Aizen, is still maybe a 10X city buster. Which is not even a state buster. Let alone a country buster. Let alone a continent buster.
Come on, this is just getting silly.