Ichigo (Final Aizen Battle) vs. Naruto (Six Paths and Sage Mode)

Originally posted by carver9
Don't think he blocked it. You have a scan and even if he blocked part of it, what's the power behind the little piece he blocked?

Looked like a mountain to me. Even if it wasn't, Naruto doesn't have the fts withstanding attacks like that.

Cut through dirt with a long blade?

Are you being ignorant on purpose?

1. If he dodged it then he dodged an attack that within seconds cut the moon in half and we're talking about a massive speed feat here.
2. He came from the gap in the moon which means he was probably hit by it. Either he blocked it(he did see it coming) which means he's able to block moon cutting attacks or he tanked it which means he's able to tank such attacks.

No matter how you slice it this is a feat orders of magnitudes higher than any in Bleach. And this is Naruto roughly 2-3 stages below his max power. Meanwhile Ichigo's Mugetsu did relatively little to the environment so however strong it is it would be foolish to assume it is above the Bijuu Dama(which Naruto deflected 5 of and which destroy mountains), Sasuke's Susano'o(which Naruto in his Bijuu Mode is equal to in terms of physical strength) and Toneri's attack.

Ichigo can do nothing to Naruto. Nothing.

Originally posted by carver9
Don't think he blocked it. You have a scan and even if he blocked part of it, what's the power behind the little piece he blocked?

Looked like a mountain to me. Even if it wasn't, Naruto doesn't have the fts withstanding attacks like that.

Cut through dirt with a long blade?

5:26 mark Tonrei cuts the moon in half. 7:16 mark Naruto blocks the attack the same attack. So Naruto blocked/reacted to, and tanked the attack that cut the moon in half.

The attacks that Naruto blocked destroyed larger mountains: http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/571/3

Yeah that's not going to do against Naruto. Assuming we get really liberal with the power of Naruto's goudama, Ichigo can't even touch him.

Originally posted by carver9
Ok, answer this...the planet buster. You brought up Naruto fighting him evenly. Shouldn't the planet buster be able to take Naruto out in a single attack?

You said the meteor was the size of a continent. That's not close to being the size of a moon.

You said Naruto died by much less than moon busting though.

Haven't you been debating DBZ long enough to understand the concept that it's not inherently necessary for Madara to demonstrate moon-busting for him to be able to rip Toneri a new *******? It's the same logic as saying Goku's attacks are planet-level despite the fact that he's never destroyed a planet with them.

It's not really relevant bringing up that a vastly weaker Naruto was taken down by less, because he was vastly weaker.

Originally posted by carver9
So whats the point of bringing Kaguya into this?

So the moon cutting ft isn't that impressive? If so, what kind of power does that prove Naruto can take durability wise?

Gotcha. So Ichigo has the possibility of killing Naruto in a single hit?

The point is that it supports Naruto being moon level. That he could contend with a planet level character. Jesus, what's happened to you? I go away for three days, and suddenly your rounding Bleach, DBZ, and Naruto all up in the same ball-park? ****, where's your leash?

Um, it obviously proves he can take AT LEAST moon level. Which means he could take more, as long as it is under planet level. Which puts him at early DBZ Piccolo level. And let's not forget that this was BASE Naruto that blocked the moon cleaving attack. Which is incomparably weaker to Biju mode Naruto, let alone Six paths Naruto. Meaning he would be small planet level.

What? When the hell has Ichigo, OR ANYONE IN BLEACH, for that matter, displayed moon level feats? NEVER. They peak at town busting, and POSSIBLY state busting, which is only in current.

Jesus, this is... I don't even know what this is, anymore.

Base Asura Naruto >>>>> Bleach-verse. What don't you get about that?

While I know this thread is somewhat old, I would like to weigh in a little here.
This whole "moon splitting feat" is not all that impressive when you actually consider a few things.

First, Toneri was only able to do this, because his chakra blade was long enough to go through the moon.

In Bleach, I am sure Ichigo could do the same exact thing if given a similar weapon.

Second, is Naturo actually "tanking" the shot?
No, actually he is not, nor is he really blocking it.
If you watch closely, he is deflecting/dispersing the attack with a chakra ball.
Besides which, Naruto's shadow clones can't even tank/block Toneri's Orb attacks, which barley create smallish craters in the moon

Again, moon splitting is not impressive, as all it requires is a large enough blade, and sufficient continues force to break through rock.

Ichigo has indeed displayed swings that can effortlessly cleave thorough rock and stone, and if given a blade as long as the moon's radius, he could also cut through the moon.

His fight with Azien only proves this. You seem to forget, that even though Ichigo only broke small mountains with his attack, the attack was not aimed at the mountains, and what broke the mountains was merely the force of the swing, the shock wave, which is only a fraction of the actual force of the attack. Hell, they even state it was a mountain, and Ichigo was not even giving it 100%, he was not even trying.
So sitting here, and saying "it was not a mountain", despite the characters saying that it indeed was a mountain, is quite frankly, arrogant.
I think the characters know more about what is going on in their show than we do.

So yes, it was a mountain, and Ichigo broke it asunder with just the shock wave from his half-hearted swing.

Cutting the moon in half only takes the same amount of force as splitting a small mountain, the only, only difference is that you would need a bigger sword, and this is the only reason Ichigo cannot currently split a moon.
It is not that he lacks the strength and power to do so, because he most certainly does, its just that he lacks a big enough sword.

It is also worth noting, that splitting something takes a hell of a lot less power than breaking apart something with brute force, which is why Toneri cutting the moon in half is not nearly as impressive when you stop to think about it.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
When did Ichigo move at the speed of lightning?

I wouldn't necessarily assume artificial lightning like that of Candy's is the same speed as normal lightning.

Kariya.

Anyway, aren't Ichigo's flash steps basically lowkey instant transmission's?

He literally teleports when he uses them, and teleportation is instantaneous.

Whereas when Naruto is attack, he still has to move to do it, Ichigo disappears from sight completely.

Not saying Ichigo is faster, because I haven't been keeping up with Naruto (and I won't until Kaguya shows up in the anime).

Originally posted by jmoul
To be fair, Ichigo was able to level an entire mountain with one swing of his sword, and he was toying with Aizen throughout their fight, and Aizen was practically a god among Soul Reapers and Hollows. Ichigo was at such a level that Aizen couldn't even detect his power.

He brushed off a nuclear explosion with only slight burns, caught Aizen's sword like it was nothing (and the swing caused an enormous swath of land behind Ichigo to crumble)

Besides, he still has hollow-fication, giving him access to Ceros (which are kind of like Tailed Beast Bombs in a way).

Lastly, Ichigo's speed is at a pretty high level. I'm positive Naruto doesn't have speed to match Ichigo's Flash Step, no matter how fast Naruto is.

Just to clarify, this is in no way an argument for Ichigo, it's just giving examples of where Ichigo has taken immense damage and dished it out as well. (Naruto is still my favorite anime series)

This.

Originally posted by TonanBora
While I know this thread is somewhat old, I would like to weigh in a little here.
This whole "moon splitting feat" is not all that impressive when you actually consider a few things.

First, Toneri was only able to do this, because his chakra blade was long enough to go through the moon.

In Bleach, I am sure Ichigo could do the same exact thing if given a similar weapon.

Second, is Naturo actually "tanking" the shot?
No, actually he is not, nor is he really blocking it.
If you watch closely, he is deflecting/dispersing the attack with a chakra ball.
Besides which, Naruto's shadow clones can't even tank/block Toneri's Orb attacks, which barley create smallish craters in the moon

Again, moon splitting is not impressive, as all it requires is a large enough blade, and sufficient continues force to break through rock.

Ichigo has indeed displayed swings that can effortlessly cleave thorough rock and stone, and if given a blade as long as the moon's radius, he could also cut through the moon.

His fight with Azien only proves this. You seem to forget, that even though Ichigo only broke small mountains with his attack, the attack was not aimed at the mountains, and what broke the mountains was merely the force of the swing, the shock wave, which is only a fraction of the actual force of the attack. Hell, they even state it was a mountain, and Ichigo was not even giving it 100%, he was not even trying.
So sitting here, and saying "it was not a mountain", despite the characters saying that it indeed was a mountain, is quite frankly, arrogant.
I think the characters know more about what is going on in their show than we do.

So yes, it was a mountain, and Ichigo broke it asunder with just the shock wave from his half-hearted swing.

Cutting the moon in half only takes the same amount of force as splitting a small mountain, the only, only difference is that you would need a bigger sword, and this is the only reason Ichigo cannot currently split a moon.
It is not that he lacks the strength and power to do so, because he most certainly does, its just that he lacks a big enough sword.

It is also worth noting, that splitting something takes a hell of a lot less power than breaking apart something with brute force, which is why Toneri cutting the moon in half is not nearly as impressive when you stop to think about it.

Okay;

1. Let's get this outta the way REAL quick. Busting a mountain is nothing compared to cutting the moon in half. You DO realize that the moon is denser at it's core, right? And you'd be suggesting that Ichigo has the strength to cut through HUNDREDS of miles of iron-hard core, right? That's in a completely different ball park than knocking the top off of A HILL.

2. Doesn't matter. Base Naruto's rasengan has far less attack potency than his biju mode has in durability. Meaning that his base form rasengan wouldn't even hurt him if he took a direct hit from it in biju mode, and his base form rasengan blocked a moon slicing attack. That speaks for the potency of not only Naruto's rasengan, but also his durability when you consider more than the two dimensional aspects of the feat.

3. You have nothing to support Ichigo being able to cut the moon in half if his sword was long enough. In fact, I guarantee he couldn't even lift the sword if it was that long.

4. Your entire argument here is based on a single feat of Naruto's. We still have DOZENS of feats of him casually batting away country busting attacks, and contending with planet level attacks. A better fight would LITERALLY be Final getsuga Ichigo vs. the fourth Raikage, and even then, I'd still give it to Ay, to be honest.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Anyway, aren't Ichigo's flash steps basically lowkey instant transmission's?

He literally teleports when he uses them, and teleportation is instantaneous.

Whereas when Naruto is attack, he still has to move to do it, Ichigo disappears from sight completely.

Not saying Ichigo is faster, because I haven't been keeping up with Naruto (and I won't until Kaguya shows up in the anime).

Uh, no.

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Flash steps are just focusing a lot of speed into a single step, which gives a large boost in speed, which creates the illusion of teleportation to reiatsu's of similar size. We see Soi Fon and Yoroichi fight while in flash step, and that was back in the SS arc, FFS.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Okay;

1. Let's get this outta the way REAL quick. Busting a mountain is nothing compared to cutting the moon in half. You DO realize that the moon is denser at it's core, right? And you'd be suggesting that Ichigo has the strength to cut through HUNDREDS of miles of iron-hard core, right? That's in a completely different ball park than knocking the top off of A HILL.

2. Doesn't matter. Base Naruto's rasengan has far less attack potency than his biju mode has in durability. Meaning that his base form rasengan wouldn't even hurt him if he took a direct hit from it in biju mode, and his base form rasengan blocked a moon slicing attack. That speaks for the potency of not only Naruto's rasengan, but also his durability when you consider more than the two dimensional aspects of the feat.

3. You have nothing to support Ichigo being able to cut the moon in half if his sword was long enough. In fact, I guarantee he couldn't even lift the sword if it was that long.

4. Your entire argument here is based on a single feat of Naruto's. We still have DOZENS of feats of him casually batting away country busting attacks, and contending with planet level attacks. A better fight would LITERALLY be Final getsuga Ichigo vs. the fourth Raikage, and even then, I'd still give it to Ay, to be honest.

Uh, no.

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Flash steps are just focusing a lot of speed into a single step, which gives a large boost in speed, which creates the illusion of teleportation to reiatsu's of similar size. We see Soi Fon and Yoroichi fight while in flash step, and that was back in the SS arc, FFS.

Naruto didn't use Rasengan against the GWRE, that was a partial Biju Mode transformation.

Also, SPSM Naruto >>> BSM Naruto, for the thousandth time.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Goku and Cell fought during instant transmission.

👇 Filler

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Naruto didn't use Rasengan against the GWRE, that was a partial Biju Mode transformation.

Also, SPSM Naruto >>> BSM Naruto, for the thousandth time.

Oh, was it? It's been a long time since I saw the movie, and I only saw it once, so I trust your word over mine.

Idk if you were directing that "SPSM Naruto >>> BSM Naruto" remark at me or not though. Because I've been saying that this whole time.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Oh, was it? It's been a long time since I saw the movie, and I only saw it once, so I trust your word over mine.

Idk if you were directing that "SPSM Naruto >>> BSM Naruto" remark at me or not though. Because I've been saying that this whole time.

Nah, all of that was directed at the retarded post about Ichigo with a thousand mile long sword lol.

But, wasn't the moon in Naruto almost hollow, or did you guys forget that the majority of the movie took place inside the moon? While there is a lot of rock, the argument regarding the iron core is a bit off (granted the long sword argument wasn't exactly a good argument either). I could, however see a large enough Getsuga cutting the moon though (similar enough to a chakra blade).

That's just the thing, though. Ichigo doesn't possess nearly enough power to produce such a massive and potent Getsuga. Not even close.

Naruto.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
That's just the thing, though. Ichigo doesn't possess nearly enough power to produce such a massive and potent Getsuga. Not even close.

^ This. 👆

Naruto oneshots.