Good match actually. (Now both sides calm down lol)
I think sabers ends up being a long drawn out duel due to Zannah's soresu, with neither gaining an edge due to. A) Zannah's lack of a full offense and B)Neither will be powerful enough to completely overwhelm one another.
I'm gonna say it's a Draw there. Good fights all around.
Force Wise, Satele's TK showings are superior to those of Zannah, however seeing as Zannah has tanked(iirc) Bane's own force blast, I don't think it will be enough to put Zannah down. Although, I do sincerely doubt Zannah can could match Satele in a Force TK match.
That said, Zannah's illusions are likely a deciding factor, depending on whether or not Satele has gained any new telepathy defense feats. I'd honestly give the Force Edge to Satele, based on the fact that her powers are much more offensive and don't have to be "charged", so to speak, like Zannah's more powerful spell.
Satele gets the edge for me in Force power.
All-out, honestly, seeing as how Satele has constantly bull-rushed most of her enemies, I see this starting as a lightsaber duel. Zannah's Mastery of Soresu would allow her to coupe rather easily with Satele's Ataru offensive and due to Satele's form's innate weakness against Soresu, I doubt this battle will go anywhere.
Sincerely, everything is dependent on which of these ladies decides to act first; Satele with her Telekinesis or Zannah with a charged spell?
Considering neither Bane or Zannah felt confident overpowering the other with TK, considering Zannah was able to erect a better defense against Bane's offense than Kas'im or Raskta Lsu, considering she has only actually taken time to charge her spell one out of the five times she used it, considering she was able to charge it while simultaneously dueling with Bane while trying to be subtle, considering she was able to do so without too much time after she gave up on subtlety, and considering the spell's performance against DOE Bane (who has substantially greater willpower than ROT or POD Bane who already has immense feats of willpower), Satele is not overpowering Zannah or slipping by her defenses with her lightsaber or the force, and she would not be able to overcome the effects of Zannah's spell. Zannah should take a solid victory here.
Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Good match actually. (Now both sides calm down lol)I think sabers ends up being a long drawn out duel due to Zannah's soresu, with neither gaining an edge due to. A) Zannah's lack of a full offense and B)Neither will be powerful enough to completely overwhelm one another.
I'm gonna say it's a Draw there. Good fights all around.
Force Wise, Satele's TK showings are superior to those of Zannah, however seeing as Zannah has tanked(iirc) Bane's own force blast, I don't think it will be enough to put Zannah down. Although, I do sincerely doubt Zannah can could match Satele in a Force TK match.
That said, Zannah's illusions are likely a deciding factor, depending on whether or not Satele has gained any new telepathy defense feats. I'd honestly give the Force Edge to Satele, based on the fact that her powers are much more offensive and don't have to be "charged", so to speak, like Zannah's more powerful spell.
Satele gets the edge for me in Force power.
All-out, honestly, seeing as how Satele has constantly bull-rushed most of her enemies, I see this starting as a lightsaber duel. Zannah's Mastery of Soresu would allow her to coupe rather easily with Satele's Ataru offensive and due to Satele's form's innate weakness against Soresu, I doubt this battle will go anywhere.
Sincerely, everything is dependent on which of these ladies decides to act first; Satele with her Telekinesis or Zannah with a charged spell?
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Originally posted by Emperordmb
Considering neither Bane or Zannah felt confident overpowering the other with TK, considering Zannah was able to erect a better defense against Bane's offense than Kas'im or Raskta Lsu, considering she has only actually taken time to charge her spell one out of the five times she used it, considering she was able to charge it while simultaneously dueling with Bane while trying to be subtle, considering she was able to do so without too much time after she gave up on subtlety, and considering the spell's performance against DOE Bane (who has substantially greater willpower than ROT or POD Bane who already has immense feats of willpower), Satele is not overpowering Zannah or slipping by her defenses with her lightsaber or the force, and she would not be able to overcome the effects of Zannah's spell. Zannah should take a solid victory here.
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You both make great points. I'm inclined to say Satele on this one, firstly because she has more combat and life experience, and secondly she has much greater overall feats, though while I say those things I believe it would be a really close fight. Her Soresu is a great advantage against Satele's Niman/Ataru form, though she has over 50 years of experience as a Jedi, and about 30 of time in war under her belt as well, so she'll probably have some way of getting around Zannah's defenses, which makes me want to lean toward Satele in terms of sabers. For Force I believe in destructive and raw power Force showings Satele is far beyond Zannah in that field, but is sorely lacking in other forms of Force manipulation. IIRC, most if not all of Zannah's illusions and sorcerers are old and ancient Sith sorceries, so I'm thinking that Satele has some familiarity with many of Zannah's Force techniques. Though that doesn't mean that Zannah can't pull something crazy and shart on Shan. Her Force Insight might give her a good edge, and ultimately I think Satele will come out on top overall.
I really enjoyed this thread, great points and long playa all around. 👆 👆 👆
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Considering neither Bane or Zannah felt confident overpowering the other with TK, considering Zannah was able to erect a better defense against Bane's offense than Kas'im or Raskta Lsu, considering she has only actually taken time to charge her spell one out of the five times she used it, considering she was able to charge it while simultaneously dueling with Bane while trying to be subtle, considering she was able to do so without too much time after she gave up on subtlety, and considering the spell's performance against DOE Bane (who has substantially greater willpower than ROT or POD Bane who already has immense feats of willpower), Satele is not overpowering Zannah or slipping by her defenses with her lightsaber or the force, and she would not be able to overcome the effects of Zannah's spell. Zannah should take a solid victory here.
Please show me exactly in text where it states that neither of them felt confident their telekinetic attacks would do anything to each other.
I'm also glad Fated actually thinks the answer is debatable and that the Bane cult actually allows its members to have contrary opinions. I think Zannah wins based on being a slightly better duelist though.
Boo hoo. It's not my fault Satele has nothing to challenge Zannah with. Like they said, Zannah can definitely handle Satele's saber offense. Her form can perfectly repel Satele's. Tondemonai says that Satele's experience may give her a way around Zannah's saber, but Bane designed her form and spent 20 years sparring with her and still couldn't penetrate it on pure ability alone. I'd say that's a bit more valuable experience than Satale can call upon. And Satele is equally impotent against Zannah in the Force. She lacks the will of her ancestor or Bane and nothing indicates she can repel Zannah's illusions. She admitted to fearing Malgus in her journal iirc, her mind has vulnerabilities. Her own abilities can't touch Zannah, for reasons Dmb made clear.
Zannah wins in either area easily.
Originally posted by Selenial
I love how despite the slight bias
Kinda pointless, considering literally anyone can be accused of this.
Originally posted by Selenial
DMB and Fated put forward genuine arguments that make sense and convinced me of a winner, only for Neph to come in like the clinically retarded headless chicken that he is and ruin it for everyone 👆
All Neph really did was bluntly argue what DMB conservatively argued. If that's actually enough for you to deem Neph retarded and DMB genuine and intelligent, than you're either really biased, really stupid, or really easy to manipulate. Probably a combination of 1 and 3, with a small bit of 2 in this specific case. This goes goes for you too, ant. Not Carthage though, since he hates all Baners equally. 👆
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Not that I consider Bane as particularly powerful as Neph or DMB persay, But the chronic lemming syndrome shtick is losing its touch. I'm seething with Internet n3rd rage.