Originally posted by Emperordmb
Yo Sel and AntWhat would a comparison between their abilities as duelists look like outside of author/writer opinions?
We've had this debate before too many times. Ant's always fallen back on the Avellone quote.
Though even without it, Traya's ambiguous quotes make it next to impossible to gauge Revan's abilities.
Surik is obviously more specialised than Revan in lightsaber combat, she has actually mastered multiple forms including Juyo. The only form she doesn't canonically get accredited with is Form V: Djem So. In all the others she is highly proficient or a master.
I agree with Drew Karpyshyn, Revan focused on prowess in the Force and Surik took the opposite path, that doesn't mean they are weak in what the other is more masterful in. Surik is very strong in the Force just as Revan is very skilled.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Surik is obviously more specialised than Revan in lightsaber combat, she has actually mastered multiple forms including Juyo. The only form she doesn't canonically get accredited with is Form V: Djem So. In all the others she is highly proficient or a master.
Shien actually is only a blaster deflection form, and that's about all it has going for it. It has nothing to do with magically switching to Shien, and a lot more to do with Shien not really being used in any other capacity. Form V is just Form V, like any other. And you can't really master it without learning the dueling aspect and the blaster deflection aspect.
I really don't think there is a "right" answer, which is why I don't
usually like to weigh in on these arguments. Anything I say becomes fodder
for forum wars, and people constantly want me to justify/explain/clarify
something I'm not comfortable with to help support their case.
I don't think there's anything wrong with fans having these debates; I
even encourage it. But I don't want to be involved (partly because my
involvement is often used to try and end the debates by referring to me as
some kind of expert or authority).
So... please refer to my FAQ for my opinion on any "versus" questions.
TLDR - I don't know. It's a tie.
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He's said that for years now. Stop being retarded. Why do you think most people don't put any stock into his quotes?
The card that is pulled has always been authorial intent and how one envisioned a character. ex: "Revan kicks the Exile's ass." 👆
In the end of the day though, the Exile is not more skilled than Revan, and that quote is thrown back into the piss pool of his other quotes.
TL;DR: Everyone already knew they shouldn't be taken as canon on the same level as actual published works. You look / are retarded for thinking otherwise.
For all intents and purposes of this debate, the victor is pretty clear. The only victory you could have won over me is butthurt satisfaction on a concept we all already understand.
Besides you apparently, of course...
So again, you're happy to take Avellone's perceptions of a character he didn't even write, but blatantly ignore the fact the person who wrote them both intended Surik to be more skilled as a duelist?
Who has Nephthys tier double standards again?
Even if you're using it as "authorial intent", Drew apparently didn't intend either to be far superior if he isn't comfortable making a decision. Thus I ask you how it's even remotely compatible with Avellone's statements?
Originally posted by Selenial
So again, you're happy to take Avellone's perceptions of a character he didn't even write, but blatantly ignore the fact the person who wrote them both intended Surik to be more skilled as a duelist?Who has Nephthys tier double standards again?
Even if you're using it as "authorial intent", Drew apparently didn't intend either to be far superior if he isn't comfortable making a decision. Thus I ask you how it's even remotely compatible with Avellone's statements?
Originally posted by Selenial
So again, you're happy to take Avellone's perceptions of a character he didn't even write
Originally posted by Selenial
but blatantly ignore the fact the person who wrote them both intended Surik to be more skilled as a duelist?
Originally posted by Selenial
Drew apparently didn't intend either to be far superior if he isn't comfortable making a decision.
He says this about every ****ing character. Why don't you understand that?
He said the same thing in regards to Darth Revan vs Darth Vader vs Darth Bane.
He said the same thing in regards to Anakin Skywalker vs the Hero of Tython.
He said the same thing in regards to Anakin Skywalker vs Revan, too.
Originally posted by Selenial
Thus I ask you how it's even remotely compatible with Avellone's statements?