Carver, link please to ODGs statement?
Because so far, you're not helping your credibility one bit.
If you assert something, post proof. I am calling you out here.
Not to mention, you keep saying 'oh, nothing in her dialogue said Hulk was supporting 50% of a sun blah blah blah BS'.
Even though, and I stress, NOBODY HERE SAID THAT.
Guess what?
Nothing in Batman's dialogue suggests his suns were lighter in weight.
Double standards and hypocrisy, I see. Be consistent.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Semantics. Getting wayy off topic
I don't think it's THAT off topic.
In this thread, OP asked who could beat WBH on strength alone.
Some people said SBP, as an example.
Carver's reasoning for WBH is, well a weaker version (Indestructible) was able to bear the weight of a star on his back.
Therefore, WBH is well beyond SBP, who could only push planets around.
My argument is, the Justice Buster suit that Batman used to punch Superman in his face, had MULTIPLE suns in each hand. Conservatively, there could be 20 suns - or there could have been 100. If you look, there are around 10 pods on each hand. And Batman said each pod contained multiple suns.
In each hand.
Therefore, if we use carver's arguments, then the Justice Buster was 40-200 times stronger than Hulk. Maybe even more, considering Hulk was struggling and Batman was casually punching around, swinging his fists.
A weaker version of Superboy Prime (i.e. a poisoned DCnU Superman who was also being hit by red sun rads) was able to take hits from such a beast.
Therefore, IF we use carver's argument, and take the dialogue at face value - then we should take Batman's dialogue at face value.
Which means SBP would annihilate WBH.
Atom shrunk a city that was place into Batman's brain that put him in a sleeping coma.
Lol, Batman brain have the strength to lift a city. Batman brain was also able to lift Superman's weight as well.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I don't think it's THAT off topic.In this thread, OP asked who could beat WBH on strength alone.
Some people said SBP, as an example.
Carver's reasoning for WBH is, well a weaker version (Indestructible) was able to bear the weight of a star on his back.
Therefore, WBH is well beyond SBP, who could only push planets around.
My argument is, the Justice Buster suit that Batman used to punch Superman in his face, had MULTIPLE suns in each hand. Conservatively, there could be 20 suns - or there could have been 100. If you look, there are around 10 pods on each hand. And Batman said each pod contained multiple suns.
In each hand.
Therefore, if we use carver's arguments, then the Justice Buster was 40-200 times stronger than Hulk. Maybe even more, considering Hulk was struggling and Batman was casually punching around, swinging his fists.
A weaker version of Superboy Prime (i.e. a poisoned DCnU Superman who was also being hit by red sun rads) was able to take hits from such a beast.
Therefore, IF we use carver's argument, and take the dialogue at face value - then we should take Batman's dialogue at face value.
Which means SBP would annihilate WBH.
Read my post on the first page. I said a Indestructible Hulk could beat WBH. Keep up.
Originally posted by carver9
Atom shrunk a city that was place into Batman's brain that put him in a sleeping coma.Lol, Batman brain have the strength to lift a city. Batman brain was also able to lift Superman's weight as well.
That's the idiocy that happens when you take things at face value.
Apples to oranges, though.
Proof that Justice Buster's suns were lighter?
Scans. Otherwise, you're making shit up.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's the idiocy that happens when you take things at face value.Apples to oranges, though.
Proof that Justice Buster's suns were lighter?
Scans. Otherwise, you're making shit up.
Batman brains pressed the weight of a city? Doesn't even matter though. The BIO of Atom tells us that his shrinking abilities controls the size (and here's the kicker) and WEIGHT...
http://s980.photobucket.com/user/ankur2292/media-full//JusticeLeaguecryforj2026.jpg.html
Either Batman brains can bench press a city or the weight of whatever is shrunk is taken away. Let's not be a hypocrite here.
Originally posted by carter9
Batman brains pressed the weight of a city? Doesn't even matter though. The BIO of Atom tells us that his shrinking abilities controls the size (and here's the kicker) and WEIGHT...http://s980.photobucket.com/user/ankur2292/media-full//JusticeLeaguecryforj2026.jpg.html
Either Batman brains can bench press a city or the weight of whatever is shrunk is taken away. Let's not be a hypocrite here.
You are aware that Atom can have things have their full weight despite reduced size, right? Although that's Pre-FLASHPOINT. Isn't the scan with Batman and the red suns in the armor Post-FLASHPOINT?
Originally posted by Delta1938
You are aware that Atom can have things have their full weight despite reduced size, right? Although that's Pre-FLASHPOINT. Isn't the scan with Batman and the red suns in the armor Post-FLASHPOINT?
👆
Atom uses his mass to punch people, it's more effective. Logic indicates that he didn't reduce the mass of the sun so Batmans punches are more effective. Though i am more than curious to see an on panel statement that says the mass was reduced, if there is nothing like that we should go by what we have and stop lowballing the feat.
Originally posted by carver9
Batman brains pressed the weight of a city? Doesn't even matter though. The BIO of Atom tells us that his shrinking abilities controls the size (and here's the kicker) and WEIGHT...http://s980.photobucket.com/user/ankur2292/media-full//JusticeLeaguecryforj2026.jpg.html
Either Batman brains can bench press a city or the weight of whatever is shrunk is taken away. Let's not be a hypocrite here.
You're the hypocrite, which is worse.
I am being consistent.
The suns in Batman's gloves are not = our Sun.
What happened in Cry for Justice (pre-52, AND a bio? My, you're pulling out all the scans today!) is then rendered moot.
If something is smaller, it is lighter.
The city in Bat's brain is lighter.
The suns in his gloves are lighter.
The sun from which PM's spear was made from, is lighter.
Your hypocrisy is:
The city is lighter
The red giants are lighter.
PM's spear is = or > our Sun.
Hypocrite.
I ask once more. Scans by Batman saying the Justice Buster suns are lighter? If not, stop making stuff up.
Originally posted by carver9
Superboy Prime pushed planets. Indestetruble Hulk held suns on his back. See the difference here.
He moved the universe.
He moved the goddamn universe
Do you even understand the scale? There's 100 BILLION galaxies in the universe. Each with 100 BILLION stars, untold billions of planets, black holes, dark matter, whatever.
Yes, it's stupid. No, it doesn't make sense. No, moving the center of the universe does not involve moving just one or two planets, it involves moving a f***ton of planets, stars, black holes, and what have you.
HE MOVED THE GODDAMN UNIVERSE
/out
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I don't think it's THAT off topic.In this thread, OP asked who could beat WBH on strength alone.
Some people said SBP, as an example.
Carver's reasoning for WBH is, well a weaker version (Indestructible) was able to bear the weight of a star on his back.
Therefore, WBH is well beyond SBP, who could only push planets around.
My argument is, the Justice Buster suit that Batman used to punch Superman in his face, had MULTIPLE suns in each hand. Conservatively, there could be 20 suns - or there could have been 100. If you look, there are around 10 pods on each hand. And Batman said each pod contained multiple suns.
In each hand.
Therefore, if we use carver's arguments, then the Justice Buster was 40-200 times stronger than Hulk. Maybe even more, considering Hulk was struggling and Batman was casually punching around, swinging his fists.
A weaker version of Superboy Prime (i.e. a poisoned DCnU Superman who was also being hit by red sun rads) was able to take hits from such a beast.
Therefore, IF we use carver's argument, and take the dialogue at face value - then we should take Batman's dialogue at face value.
Which means SBP would annihilate WBH.
Meh. It's pointless to argue feats with established fanboys.
Originally posted by Cogito
He moved the universe.He moved the goddamn universe
Do you even understand the scale? There's 100 BILLION galaxies in the universe. Each with 100 BILLION stars, untold billions of planets, black holes, dark matter, whatever.
Yes, it's stupid. No, it doesn't make sense. No, moving the center of the universe does not involve moving just one or two planets, it involves moving a f***ton of planets, stars, black holes, and what have you.
HE MOVED THE GODDAMN UNIVERSE
/out
Cogito, I welcome you to the House of El!
