Originally posted by DarkSaint85
DCnU, Aquaman's TP isn't as formidable. He's used it against alligators, manatees, fish etc...nothing more. Oh and those monsters.DCnU, Batman's nerve strikes haven't really worked on guys of this level. Unlike Cage, these guys haven't been taken down by streets with pressure point attacks.
DCnU, WW's lasso hasn't been as uber as pre.
Therefore, Superman wins by finger flicking everyone.
Wait a second. Where was this in the AM/Namor thread?
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Wait a second. Where was this in the AM/Namor thread?
Re-read the thread itself. Beatboks specifically said pre-52 AQ did those things. I pointed out he had the hand of the Waterbearer when he did the Avengers feat, which isn't canon, anyway. KM references pre-52 AQ.
I posted scans of DCnU AQ, and never once did I say he uses TP. KM even point blank asks you which Aquaman you are arguing against....
Originally posted by carver9
You haven't schooled anyone.Sigh...Apollo was feeding them power throughout the issue. He even tells us this. He then decided to just overload them with power so that they can stomp Superman and Wonder Woman.
No, he wasn't. He just gave them powers.. He didn't give them any amps until that fight was over.
You are welcome to prove otherwise.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Re-read the thread itself. Beatboks specifically said pre-52 AQ did those things. I pointed out he had the hand of the Waterbearer when he did the Avengers feat, which isn't canon, anyway. KM references pre-52 AQ.I posted scans of DCnU AQ, and never once did I say he uses TP. KM even point blank asks you which Aquaman you are arguing against....
First, I wasn't addressing your comments alone, I said "in the thread." Second, it's pretty easy to see that I'm talking about the 52 AM being that I said "the last time D.C. blew up their pitiful universe." It would be nice if he simply answered the question. Since you apparently have power of attorney, tell him that.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Oh yes, I have.No, he wasn't. He just gave them powers.. He didn't give them any amps until that fight was over.
You are welcome to prove otherwise.
He was powering them up.
He then super charge them.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
First, I wasn't addressing your comments alone, I said "in the thread." Second, it's pretty easy to see that I'm talking about the 52 AM being that I said "the last time D.C. blew up their pitiful universe." It would be nice if he simply answered the question. Since you apparently have power of attorney, tell him that.
Hence I paraphrased everyone else who mentioned TP and had showings. 'In the thread'.
I'm not claiming power of attorney, you just asked me where the post I posted in this thread was in the AQ/Namor thread.
Originally posted by carver9
He was powering them up.He then super charge them.
Apollo's actions were revenge for an earlier debacle where he tried to take Superman down or out with a blast of concentrated sunlight.
I'm still undecided as to whether we are meant to understand Apollo had lethal intent or not. It's worth noting that Apollo has burned to death at least 3 people, and I'm fairly certain at least 6 can be safely claimed. Would that I could see the scans of how he dealt with his 2nd group of oracles in Wonder Woman #23.2, The First Born's Secret Origin. I'd bet good money they were cooked as thoroughly as the first set was back in Wonder Woman #1.
At any rate, the attack fails and supercharges Clark. He proceeds to throw Apollo through a mountainside.
In revenge, Apollo maneuvers Zod and Faora to fight against Clark.
That's revealed here:
It is AFTER Apollo explains that he powered the two "new ones" i.e. Zod and Faora up that we see the supercharge of the two Kryptonians.
Perhaps the scans Carver presented so far do not show that clearly enough?
The central image of all that sunpower being beamed down from heaven (Olympus) might have resolved the questions people have had:
Originally posted by carver9
So WW and Aquaman can't use their super strength here?
Originally posted by carver9
I don't think WW can use her strength here. She can only use her lasso.
I get the impression she has her strength/durability, but can only use the lasso, not strike or grapple, and Aquaman still has his strength/durability, but can only at least attack with telepathy(assuming Riv didn't mean Aquaman can only stand there, but can try to avoid attacks, but maybe he did mean Aquaman can only stand there and attack with telepathy).
Riv, is that what you mean?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The question here is, did Apollo charge them to 100% (after they had been depleted) or were they at 110%/120%/whatever.
The transformation seen by Faora and Zod after Apollo sunblasts them is nearly identical to the transformation seen by Clark when Apollo does the same to him. Clark muses aloud that Apollo is a little less than informed ...
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The question here is, did Apollo charge them to 100% (after they had been depleted) or were they at 110%/120%/whatever.
... and the narration, along with the course of action the fight then takes, where before Superman was getting rather the worse of the encounter, suggests that Apollo's charge gives Kryptonians far MORE than a mere 1/5th (20%) extra power ...
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
The transformation seen by Faora and Zod after Apollo sunblasts them is nearly identical to the transformation seen by Clark when Apollo does the same to him. Clark muses aloud that Apollo is a little less than informed ...
This is BEFORE Apollo sunblasts them. When Apollo says he powered them up more quickly than they otherwise might have been.
Your post does clarify it somewhat, though. Faora and Zod WEREN'T amped before Apollo blasted them, as they did not have the red transformation rays around them.
