General Primary Discussion Thread

Started by Bentley212 pages

I don't think Trump himself qualifies as a facist, he's followed and celebrated by people who are much shadier than he is. Hopefully if Trump wins he'll stop cathering those niches and rule for all americans with his own brand of wordly focus.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Interesting

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/18/us/politics/as-hillary-clinton-sweeps-states-one-group-resists-white-men.html?_r=0

According to this article, white males statistically have a more biased disdain of Hillary than other groups

Looks like there are still smart people left in the world.

Harry Reid talked about a the democrats having a contested convention a month ago

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/11/politics/harry-reid-contested-convention/

Now Sanders is sporting this as well.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Yeah. Trump has pretty much hijacked the GOP and turned it into a half-liberal/half-conservative/full-fascist political party that just has the GOP name. Again, this is what years of Obama-bashing get, a constituency so ignorant that it has now redefined the core ideology of the party at it's own detriment.

Reported for hate speech saying that Trump is a fascist. 👆

A sign that Ted Devine, Bernie Campaign Strategist, has lost it:

He's arguing that they can win by flipping pledged delegates. I.e. the ones directly based on the vote results.

To go from complaining about the existence of supers to wanting to flip pledged... yeesh.

"He acknowledged that some states have rules that legally bind a delegate to the candidate they are pledged to, but said the party rules will reign – suggesting a legal wrangle might be down the track if this scenario plays out."

This strategy would require actually arguing in court that state laws on pledged delegates going with the popular vote don't count.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Harry Reid talked about a the democrats having a contested convention a month ago

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/11/politics/harry-reid-contested-convention/

Now Sanders is sporting this as well.

Sanders is hoping for it, but Hillary Clinton is on track (as in, 110% of where she needs to be) to have solidly over 50% even in pledged, making a contested convention very unlikely.

It's pretty hard to get a brokered convention without more than two candidates. They have to be really really close for it to happen, and last time with Hillary vs Obama, they weren't close enough despite half the gap of this time.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Interesting

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/18/us/politics/as-hillary-clinton-sweeps-states-one-group-resists-white-men.html?_r=0

According to this article, white males statistically have a more biased disdain of Hillary than other groups

I'm not sure why you think they have a "biased" disdain. For instance:

"In Ohio, a plurality of white men said honesty and trustworthiness were the most important qualities in a candidate, and 89 percent of them voted for Mr. Sanders, according to exit polls. "

It seems a variety of the people they talked to gave valid reasons for why they weren't voting for Hilary.

The article also talks about how Hilary has switched focus and focused more on minorities. So is she bias for minorities then or what?

I always thought Bernie was honest. Him, kasich, and carson

Originally posted by Raisen
I always thought Bernie was honest. Him, kasich, and carson

So why are you gung-ho for Trump when Sanders and Kasich are still in the race?

Originally posted by Stigma
Reported for hate speech saying that Trump is a fascist. 👆
Look at this fascist scum.

Some people just hate the First Amendment and freedom in general, but he's from a former communist country, so it's ingrained in his DNA

Originally posted by Robtard
So why are you gung-ho for Trump when Sanders and Kasich are still in the race?

Because sanders policy ideas are too liberal for me and kasich has no shot. I have to back the one who can win and is politically more aligned with what I think is best for the country.
Just because I think sanders has a good heart doesn't mean I agree with any of his policy. Mind and heart must be separate sometimes, extreme progs and extreme conservative don't seem to understand this

For me I imagine wanting Sanders to win is probably a lot like what Cubs fans must feel most of the time. You really love something and want them to win even though you know in your heart they won't.

Now you see if I went to certain parts of Chicago and said that I'd probably get beat down lol.

Originally posted by Surtur
For me I imagine wanting Sanders to win is probably a lot like what Cubs fans must feel most of the time. You really love something and want them to win even though you know in your heart they won't.

Now you see if I went to certain parts of Chicago and said that I'd probably get beat down lol.

Great analogy tho

Originally posted by Raisen
Because sanders policy ideas are too liberal for me and kasich has no shot.
Mind and heart must be separate sometimes, extreme progs and extreme conservative don't seem to understand this

Something we agree on. Some pragmatism helps.

Ok. Your points went back up in my books

Originally posted by Q99

Something we agree on. Some pragmatism helps.

John Kasich😂

Idiot who rushed Trumps gets hit with Federal Charges

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/man-rushed-trump-stage-saturday-charged-federally/story?id=37667170

It's not even 'incredibly unlikely.' It's 'if every delegate left goes to him, it'll still only be a contested convention.' It truly cannot be done 🙂

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Also, some more numbers-
Primary turnout means squat to the general

It turns out that of the last 6 elections, in 3 the ones with the most primary turnout won, in 3 they lost.

So it's neither a positive nor negative sign, it seems largely unrelated.

What does that mean for this race? Well, nothing! It means a high turnout contested primary isn't necessarily bad, and a lower turnout less contested primary also isn't necessarily bad.

More numbers dropping: what happens to the delegates of the withdrawn candidates in the Republican contest

In some cases they're stuck with the candidate, in some cases the candidate can chose to release them, in some cases they're allowed to just vote who they want, and in one state's case they're automatically reassigned.

The bulk of them? Free agents, akin to Democratic Superdelegates.

https://youtu.be/5HK1hFUD_d4

Beautiful, tolerant liberals.