General Primary Discussion Thread

Originally posted by Sin I AM
He seems to be out of touch. I honestly think he should've ran as a independent. That wouldve set the stage for a serious third party institution. But he joined with the left and got skewered due to not calculating the "black vote". At this point he has flip flopped on delegates and just seems desperate to remain relevant.

As much as I want a strong 3rd party if only to keep the other two more honest. If he did run indie this cycle, he would have siphoned votes from Hillary and handed the election to Trump in the primary.

Dear God..

I mean this just keeps getting worse and worse, she gave a pass to South Sudan for its Child Soldiers.

"Hillary Clinton, who was secretary of state when the first waivers were issued, was apparently never asked to comment on them, and the State Department never provided any explanations about its role. Clinton had spent years vowing to defend the rights of children worldwide — in 2012, she railed against “modern-day slavery” in the introduction to a State Department report on human trafficking that took aim at the “unlawful recruitment or use of children” by armed forces. Yet she does not appear to have publicly explained her role in allowing South Sudan and other countries to receive military support despite using children as combatants. In fact, the State Department played a central role in issuing the controversial waivers, according to two sources, including a former State Department official."

https://theintercept.com/2016/06/09...child-soldiers/

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/09/bernie-sanders-ill-compete-in-dc-primary-do-whatever-i-can-to-stop-trump.html

Ok so how much dirt does Hilary and Obama have on each other.

Hilary under investigation by Congress, the State Department, and the FBI just for her emails. This does not include her racaterring FBI investigaion

Sanders and Obama are ideologically the same.

Yet Obama just endorses Hilary.

I am utterly appalled in this.

Sanders should march on DC at this point and the convention. They have screwed him due to same old Washington politics and wide spread corruption.

Sanders is what the people that voted for Obama expected him to be, but really wasn't. In the end, the fact that he supports Hillary so unyieldingly over Sanders speaks volumes about him as well as Washington.

Sanders was the true socialist. Obama is a religious zealot who put Islam and other nations before America.

huh?

At this point I think people see Hilary as the "safe" endorsement almost.

They're wrong on that one, though. She's much more likely to lose than Sanders would be.

Originally posted by Surtur
At this point I think people see Hilary as the "safe" endorsement almost.

How is she safe, she is under 3 different criminal investigations? And Sanders polls higher against Trump.

Safe in terms of policies and politically. She won't be making waves like Sanders and she has the backing of really powerful people and groups.

It's also been the feeling the whole election that she's the most likely candidate to win, to the point of absurdity imo.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
How is she safe, she is under 3 different criminal investigations? And Sanders polls higher against Trump.

She isn't safe, but it's the way the media portrays her vs Trump.

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I've noticed this for several months now. Google searches for Hillary's name bring up positive articles about her "win" being such a noble achievement for women (even though she's not the first female presidential nominee), whereas searches for Sanders bring up negative articles about how he should drop out. CNN and MSNBC, especially the latter, are merciless on Bernie. All of their anchors deride him for impairing Hillary's campaign. And that's not even mentioning the AP article scandal.

The media manipulation against him is abhorrent and is similar to the propaganda machine of authoritarian regimes such as Russia. This similarity is supported by the voting machine tampering reported at practically every democratic state primary which cost Sanders numerous votes. This voter suppression and propaganda by practically all major journalist media and internet sources is more horrifying than any of Trumps ridiculous threats. After this, I can not in good conscience vote for Hillary.

We are actively seeing a plutocracy defy the will of the people to put their puppet in power. I will support Sanders and I think his best option is to wash his hands of the DNC and run as an independent or run Green with Jill Stein. At this point though, I'm certain that Election Day will be filled with a bunch of voter fraud to secure Hillary's win regardless of my vote. I will write in Sanders though. The American people should not be forced to choose between an oligarchy and an autocrat.

Honestly, this may be the most evil diabolical plan of all time, one that put Palpatine to shame. I am near certain Trump is a Hillary plant or at least is manipulated by her in some way. I believe her plan was to force the U.S. citizenry to choose between her plutocracy or Trump's authoritarianism, essentially forcing the citizenry to vote for her puppet plutocratic dictatorship or risk Trump's overt autocratic dictatorship. Then Sanders came along, and she used the media and voter fraud to bury him to keep
the plan on course.

The scary part is that we the citizen are actively observing this and can do nothing about it. The media propaganda and voter suppression prove that the political system that runs our lives is not under the control of the masses, thus negating our status as an democracy. Regardless of who wins in November, America will officially become an authoritarian state, run either by an oligarchy or an autocrat. The will of the people to change policies to better their lives, the ability of the youth to have a say in their future, all of this will be gone. And while this undemocratic system of politics has always existed in some form, the fact that it is so blatant nowadays creates a devastating feeling of hopelessness.

Honestly, Idk if America is going to survive the next decade. This election has created a fervent animosity and tribalism in a large swath of the public regarding social class, ethnicity, and religion, and may result in social unrest that would essentially evolve into a civil war. I am not optimistic about this country's future.

The media is owned by liberal democrats, its to be expected. I mean people would not possibly think the media would be corrupt as well?

Originally posted by Robtard
As much as I want a strong 3rd party if only to keep the other two more honest. If he did run indie this cycle, he would have siphoned votes from Hillary and handed the election to Trump in the primary.

He could've established his base amd laid ground work for a younger generation of leaders

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
The media is owned by liberal democrats, its to be expected. I mean people would not possibly think the media would be corrupt as well?

Why do you always sprout this bullshit? I'm a liberal democrat.

That is true. But never has it been so blatant. Hillary makes Frank Underwood look like David Palmer. I'm not a Christian, but is there is an antichrist, it's undoubtedly her.

Also, I am lamenting on the fact that come November, we the citizenry will be screwed and there's nothing we can do to prevent it. It's rather soul crushing, but as you stated, it's always been like this.

That is why I said it is like this oncoming storm. Except it's not the cool kind of oncoming storm, like Doctor Who.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Safe in terms of policies and politically. She won't be making waves like Sanders and she has the backing of really powerful people and groups.

It's also been the feeling the whole election that she's the most likely candidate to win, to the point of absurdity imo.

I don't think that's true, though. People don't like her here, at all. I've never actually met a passionate Hillary supporter before.

I used to think she was winning because people were being pragmatic, but it's clear now she's only winning because of propaganda and voter fraud. In no way should this be considered a legitimate democratic election.

How the phuck did we get to a point that our system is now so blatantly corrupt that both main presidential candidates are under active criminal investigation? We have to knowingly choose between two criminals. It's like Jigsaw orchestrated the 2016 election. In November, they should have a Billy puppet at the election booth.

Originally posted by Lestov16
That is true. But never has it been so blatant. Hillary makes Frank Underwood look like David Palmer. I'm not a Christian, but is there is an antichrist, it's undoubtedly her.

Also, I am lamenting on the fact that come November, we the citizenry will be screwed and there's nothing we can do to prevent it. It's rather soul crushing, but as you stated, it's always been like this.

Did you see Sanders this morning after meeting with Obama, he looked like he had seen a ghost. I can't imagine to hear this new from Obama when Sanders and him are on the same page ideologically.

Originally posted by Lestov16
I used to think she was winning because people were being pragmatic, but it's clear now she's only winning because of propaganda and voter fraud. In no way should this be considered a legitimate democratic election.

How the phuck did we get to a point that our system is now so blatantly corrupt that both main presidential candidates are under active criminal investigation? We have to knowingly choose between two criminals. It's like Jigsaw orchestrated the 2016 election. In November, they should have a Billy puppet at the election booth.

While Hilary is the first woman presumtive presidential nominee. She is also the first presidential canidate to be under federal investigation by the FBI.

What is striking is, both Obama's State Department and FBI are investigating her, however he just endorsed her. I dont get why he did not stay out of it until the investigation is complete.