Ashley Madison Hacked

I'm sorry, but this is utter bunk. Don't compare this to releasing hospital records, it is NOT THE SAME. Those hospital records are yours and only pertain to you. Cheating doesn't just pertain to you, you are forcing your partner to LIVE A LIE. So nah, this is not like the hospital thing. People have no right to steal years and years away from their spouse by having them live a lie.

Affairs destroy families, hospital records do not.

So yeah, I say kudos to the hackers. Now thousands of people will not have to live a lie due to their piece of shit spouse. These hackers did a public service and frankly any cheater whining over this exposure is a disgusting piece of shit.

You don't get to expect to have the right to destroy another persons life because you are too stupid to keep your pants on and your legs closed.

This guy proves my point with this utter nonsense. It has nothing to do with an immoral act. Its all about signing up to something online and havimg a reasonable expectations of privacy. Cheaters are scum and the hackers eill go to prizon if caught, as they should.

You know what I just don't care about the privacy of adulterous pieces of shit. I care more about the lives these destroyed. Stop acting like privacy is the be all end all of everything. Some shit is more important and I hate to break this to you: their privacy is less important then the overall quality of life of their partners. Sorry if that irks you, but it is true.

You don't get to rob someone of years, potentially decades, all under some silly ass "but privacy yo!" line of thought.

The ability to separate your morals from legality applied to US citizens is telling and emotional.

Surtur, this just translates to "I don't like these people so they should not have their privacy." That is exceptionally ethically dodgy.

Regardless of your opinion, people DO have the right to be adulterous- it is not illegal. What you say 'is true' is neither here nor there. And expectations of privacy must be universal- you cannot pick and choose about which legal acts come with a privacy expectation and which do not. That is very wrong indeed.

If you want to campaign to make adultery illegal, fine, though that would also be ridiculous. But it's not, and so people have the right to do this, and the right not to have their privacy breached in the process.

Can't believe Ush and I are on the same page.

Originally posted by psmith81992
The ability to separate your morals from legality applied to US citizens is telling and emotional.

But..I never said anything about illegalities. Just about the utter silliness of saying this is like releasing hospital records. I also said privacy matters less then peoples quality of life, but this doesn't equate to "it should be legal to hack".

So if we're talking about inability to separate things being "telling" well..

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Surtur, this just translates to "I don't like these people so they should not have their privacy." That is exceptionally ethically dodgy.

Regardless of your opinion, people DO have the right to be adulterous- it is not illegal. What you say 'is true' is neither here nor there. And expectations of privacy must be universal- you cannot pick and choose about which legal acts come with a privacy expectation and which do not. That is very wrong indeed.

If you want to campaign to make adultery illegal, fine, though that would also be ridiculous. But it's not, and so people have the right to do this, and the right not to have their privacy breached in the process.

Which would be all fine and dandy if I said I think it should be legal to hack things in certain situations, but..alas, I did not. I simply don't care about these peoples privacy. Or rather, I find them sucking the life out of their spouses for years and years to be of higher priority.

Don't care about legalities, do care about "totally like releasing hospital records" though.

In other words: not a single of shred of sympathy do I have for these cheaters. I applaud the hackers. No different then people here and how they spoke of riots and how sometimes they can be good or have good results, but they never said it should be legal.

Privacy matters more what are you talking about? The US separates itself from the rest of the world precisely because we have good privacy laws and a reasonable expectation of privacy. You don't get to say, "well screw them" when their morals don't agree with your delicate sensibilities.

Originally posted by psmith81992
Privacy matters more what are you talking about? The US separates itself from the rest of the world precisely because we have good privacy laws and a reasonable expectation of privacy. You don't get to say, "well screw them" when their morals don't agree with your delicate sensibilities.

Uh, are you insane? This is about opinions, so why the hell don't I get to think what I do? Did I miss the part where the OP said "only discuss legalities" ?

I don't think privacy matters more in this case, you do..which is fine. Also I'm delicate because I think cheaters are pieces of shit? Cool.

Ok, so your argument comes down totally to your hatred for adulterers and nothing to do with basic legal and civil rights for people.

Fine- I can pretty much discard its value then.

You see, it IS like releasing hospital records. This is you picking and choosing. You say it's different from releasing hospital records because adultery is wrong. Well, some people think those who have abortions have no right to privacy because it is wrong. That's where bringing personal judgement into this gets you. You can NOT pick and choose- that is not an ethical position.

They have a right to privacy. Your hatred for adulterers makes no difference. We should all care when such basic rights are breached- not only pick and chose those situations that suit us.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Ok, so your argument comes down totally to your hatred for adulterers and nothing to do with basic legal and civil rights for people.

Fine- I can pretty much discard its value then.

You see, it IS like releasing hospital records. This is you picking and choosing. You say "It;s different from releasing hospital records because adultery is wrong." Well, some people think those who have abortions have no right to privacy because it is wrong. That's where bringing personal judgement into this gets you. You can NOT pick and choose- that is not an ethical position.

They have a right to privacy. Your hatred for adulterers makes no difference. We should all care when such basic rights are breached- not only pick and chose those situations that suit us.

So holy shit, I never said it's not like releasing hospital records because adultery is wrong.

It's hard to draw any other conclusion- you said the difference is that it is 'forcing your partner to live a lie' and that 'affairs destroy families', which is pretty emotional language. You are saying that is not a moral judgement?

Wait so pointing out the very real consequences of affairs equates to a moral judgement? You think this is a "it's different from the hospital thing because cheating is bad" because what I feel about cheating is irrelevant. Even if I loved cheating it wouldn't preclude me from realizing it can royally mess up a family, emotionally, physically, financially.

Yes, using emotional language to decry what you see as the consequences of adultery (though in the case of destroyed families, I'd say in this case it is the hack doing that, because otherwise the families didn't know) is most definitely a moral judgement. You saying this makes no sense is exceptionally confusing to me. You immediately follow that up with another moral judgement. What do you think the word 'bad' means?

What it is not, as I keep emphasising, is illegal. People have the right to do it, so we cannot arbitrarily decide that they do not deserve privacy simply because we do not like it. Your opinion does not override their rights.

But the point was that the consequences of releasing hospital records aren't really the same...THAT was my point. Why is this so hard? I was talking about the consequences while you are still hung up on legalities.

I don't think that actually was your point; your point is quite clearly laid out at the top of this page, that you think people have a right to adultery. The moral case runs throughout your argument.

Releasing private information abut people that can wreck their lives is ethically wrong. It is identical in both cases.

Incidentally, you are exceptionally native if you think this data being released is a public service that will benefit people. This will only be destructive.

Well hey thanks for clearing up for me what my own point was. Maybe there are some other of my points you can flesh out for me?

You get judged by what you actually say, Surtur, not what you say you said. If you express yourself badly, do not blame the listener.