But no because if you're going to play that game I also said I wasn't talking about legalities.
So yes, I said a person doesn't have the right to steal your life, and then in another post I said I was specifically not talking about legalities.
Color me confused if we are going by what people say? Or is it only their first posts?
Just to reiterate, it needs to be said I don't pick and choose every single word I use in a post with massive amounts of care. Not that I don't think about it, but you don't always take into account how some people might take a certain thing. So the problem seems to come from when I said a person doesn't have the "right" to steal your life, etc. Again, this wasn't about legalities, I can see why some might think it was(which is why I said it wasn't about legalities later on).
Example: I say that a person doesn't have the right to go to a restaurant and fart in your face right as your dinner is being served. I am NOT TALKING ABOUT LEGAL RIGHTS. Just shit decent human beings shouldn't do. So yes, that part was about the morals of cheating, but point was not just about the morals, but about the destruction caused by affairs as opposed to releasing hospital records.
Hopefully this will clear some things up, but I will reiterate key points again to avoid confusion: it is not illegal to cheat or be a little piece of shit in life, I never said that was illegal and will never say that. It is not legal to hack things, even if I personally believe this hacking did more good then harm(opinions may vary).
Just want to say though I really hope you guys are as against the government breaching our privacy as you are about hackers doing it to cheaters. Since if there is never an excuse to do so, that applies to any reason the government might have.
Also as someone who has been cheated on in the past..yeah, probably best for everyone if I just dip out of this one now. I'll wind up banned before the day is over if I don't, so I'll just say one final piece:
Might not be illegal, but cheating is shady. Yeah, might not be the best thing for society for stuff to be hacked, but I just can't muster up any sympathy for these people. I am sure if anything else, the spouses of these people are glad the hackers did what they did and if it helps some people get some cheaters out of their lives? Meh, at least there is a huge ass silver lining here.
Originally posted by psmith81992
Oh ok I get it. If some people do things that are against my morals, they have less right to whatever it is than other people? If I dislike a rich person and his house gets burglarized, I don't give a crap because **** him, he's rich. But if it's a minority or illegal immigrant or god forbid a homosexual couple, BURN THE PERPETRATORS! The double standards are astounding.
Originally posted by NemeBro
What an emotional outburst this is.
Originally posted by psmith81992
Then what you're saying is, when signing up for something online, you should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy?
No, not at all. And I went out of my way to say this in my last post. You're seeing what you want to at this point. What we say almost doesn't matter.
Then what you're saying is, when signing up for something online, you should not have a reasonable expectation of privacy?
Originally posted by psmith81992
I'm wondering if you even noticed the question mark in this post? That means, "what do you mean, care to elaborate"? Your response is "you're not even listening so it doesn't matter what I've said you already made up your mind." THAT is a cop out.
No, it's that I already answered the question in posts prior to this explicit question. Yes, obviously, people should have a reasonable expectation of privacy when signing up for something online. I think, much like Omega, that it's naive to assume it these days, but in a philosophical sense I agree that it should exist. And I don't see how my posts in this thread could be read any other way than as an affirmation of this general opinion.
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Originally posted by psmith81992
Don't think you understand what an emotional outburst is. With your tiny brain, I assume anytime caps are used. I know fully well where OV is coming from. The point was pretty obvious, even if it went over your head.What part did you not understand? Because you think adulterers (whether they've acted on it or just part of the site) are sleezy, therefore who cares about their information? I hate murderers but even those accused have the right to a fair trial. I hate adulterers but that doesn't excuse the privacy leak.
Also what the hell are you bringing up fair trials for murderers for? That's a total non-sequitir that has nothing to do with whether or not Ashley Madison users were idiots for trusting a major website never to get hacked when even the US Government can't keep all hackers out. The answer is: they are idiots.
Again: I'm not interested in debating the ethics of adultery, hacking, or internet privacy, I'm simply saying that these people were foolish and should have known better. I personally don't put anything on the internet that could destroy my whole life, and no one should if they have any sense.
I'm not pro-hacker, I just simply think people should always take hackers into account when putting information on the internet.
I'm not talking about the ethics of hacking or whether internet privacy is holy or not, I'm simply saying I don't really pity the people who will suffer the fallout from this. Of their own free will they engaged in something they knew would ruin them if it ever came to light.
Also what the hell are you bringing up fair trials for murderers for? That's a total non-sequitir that has nothing to do with whether or not Ashley Madison users were idiots for trusting a major website never to get hacked when even the US Government can't keep all hackers out.
Furthermore, if you're really this adamant about "idiots" trusting websites with their privacy (which is an ignorant statement itself), maybe you shouldn't be registered on KMC or anywhere for that matter? You realize how easy it would be to brute force into admin access, get your IP, and extrapolate all of your information? If you're as paranoid as you seem to be, you shouldn't be registered ANYWHERE, but I suspect this has nothing to do with that.
Originally posted by psmith81992
Nobody pities them but they WERE wronged. It seems to me that you don't much believe in the concept of "reasonable expectation of privacy", although it's very much. Or worse, you agree with surfur and ignore this whole logical argument because you don't respect adulterers.It wasn't a non-sequitur on any level. It was a point of contention that ended up being surfur's argument (which I thought was yours as well), regarding ignoring the crime and adopting a "who cares" attitude because he was offended by the lack of morality.
Furthermore, if you're really this adamant about "idiots" trusting websites with their privacy (which is an ignorant statement itself), maybe you shouldn't be registered on KMC or anywhere for that matter? You realize how easy it would be to brute force into admin access, get your IP, and extrapolate all of your information? If you're as paranoid as you seem to be, you shouldn't be registered ANYWHERE, but I suspect this has nothing to do with that.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
I don't have anything on KMC that could ruin my life. Thank you for trying to carry my argument to an extreme.
hether or not Ashley Madison users were idiots for trusting a major website never to get hacked when even the US Government can't keep all hackers out.
Originally posted by psmith81992
By your measure, any website can get hacked, major or minor. Therefore these people are "dolts" for having their information on the website. But whether it's their information or your IP address, all it takes is one hack for information to get out. There's nothing "extreme" about my argument, it just so happens to be your position.
Originally posted by psmith81992
Don't think you understand what an emotional outburst is. With your tiny brain, I assume anytime caps are used.
"Due to your tiny brain, I assume you think it's any time caps are used."
I fixed your sentence for you. 👆
Don't insult someone's intelligence if you can't construct a competent sentence while doing so, little guy.
I know fully well where OV is coming from. The point was pretty obvious, even if it went over your head.
No, it was an emotional outburst because you went on a sissy "you're all libtards who hate rich people and worship the gays" rant. Don't be so sensitive, lol.
What part did you not understand? Because you think adulterers (whether they've acted on it or just part of the site) are sleezy, therefore who cares about their information? I hate murderers but even those accused have the right to a fair trial. I hate adulterers but that doesn't excuse the privacy leak.
That said, yes, I feel exactly no pity for adulterers having their dirty laundry aired. Nor will I feel any pity if the hacker is arrested, sent to prison, raped, and murdered.
Neither I nor OV were insinuating that the illegality of the hackers' actions should be ignored because the people affected "deserved it".
Don't insult someone's intelligence if you can't construct a competent sentence while doing so, little guy.
No, it was an emotional outburst because you went on a sissy "you're all libtards who hate rich people and worship the gays" rant. Don't be so sensitive, lol.
That said, yes, I feel exactly no pity for adulterers having their dirty laundry aired. Nor will I feel any pity if the hacker is arrested, sent to prison, raped, and murdered.
Neither I nor OV were insinuating that the illegality of the hackers' actions should be ignored because the people affected "deserved it".