Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Thats fine, Natzi was probably the wrong term. But they type of socialism he preaches here reminds me of the national socialist party.Its easy to sit in another country and point fingers at the US when the person pointing the fingers lives in a country that does not support any of the ideology he is projecting on America.
Point #1.
Immigration in Germany. There is no such thing as birth right citizenship.
Point #2. There is no illegal immigration to legal status in Germany, you are thrown out.
Point #3. Work status in Germany is only approved by work Visa.
They don't allow you to come over and be arrested 5-10 times and just keep letting you go.
These principles that he is ok with happening here, are not what he supports for his own country. Why are we never talking about how bad Germany is on Immigration, and how they refuse African Refugees.
Many illegal immigrants in Germany come from Africa, Eastern Europe or Latin America. Most of them start off with a tourist visa and end up hiding out here illegally. According to estimates by aid organizations, around one million foreigners live in German without proper resident permits or visas. They are reluctant to speak about their often catastrophic situation for fear of being deported.
If they do not have proper papers, illegal immigrants will be deported since they are committing a criminal offense by staying in the country. Only so-called "deportation barriers" can protract them, said Reinhard Marx, an immigration lawyer.
When ill, illegal immigrants are forced to find a doctor who will treat them anonymously and who expects private payment, which most immigrants cannot afford.
Public kindergartens and schools are also required to notify police of children or families without proper resident permits. The result: illegal immigrant children do not receive education, and are forced to stay inside out of fear of drawing attention to themselves by not being in school as required for minors.
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With the status and protests of illegal immigrants in the United States making the headlines over the past days and weeks, the same question can be posed for Germany: How do illegal immigrants fare in this country?
Most illegal immigrants in Germany still come from Turkey
Most illegal immigrants in Germany still come from Turkey
Many illegal immigrants in Germany come from Africa, Eastern Europe or Latin America. Most of them start off with a tourist visa and end up hiding out here illegally. According to estimates by aid organizations, around one million foreigners live in German without proper resident permits or visas. They are reluctant to speak about their often catastrophic situation for fear of being deported.
Frida is one example. She's African and, five years ago, was living in slave-like conditions in her home country: she was not permitted to leave the house and had no money of her own. She fled and came to Germany to stay with her aunt. Once here, she met her now fiancé -- it was love at first sight.
That is still the only way illegal immigrants can gain citizenship here -- to marry a German. Another option -- for women -- is to have a child with a German man.
Illegal immigrants face deportation
German Office for Migration and Refugees
German Office for Migration and Refugees
If they do not have proper papers, illegal immigrants will be deported since they are committing a criminal offense by staying in the country. Only so-called "deportation barriers" can protract them, said Reinhard Marx, an immigration lawyer.
"Legal deportation barriers include protection for internally displaced persons or asylum-seekers or protection from threats to immigrants' lives, such as torture, should they face it in their home countries," Marx said. "On the other hand, there are the rules governing the situation here: such as when an immigrant is sick or pregnant, making it inadvisable to deport that person due to health reasons."
Illegal immigrants whose identities are not confirmed or who cannot reach their home countries due to disrupted transportation routes, and therefore cannot leave the country, are given a temporary stay permit.
Turkish women in Berlin-Kreuzberg
Turkish women in Berlin-Kreuzberg
Many of the illegal immigrants who come to Germany have followed relatives who are now living legally in the country. The largest group of illegal aliens are Turkish people, said Ute Koch of an organization called "Living Illegally."
"There are children and older people who want to live with their relatives residing in Germany, but due to strict regulations illegal immigration is often the only thing left
open to them," she said. "The possibilities for legal migration are very limited."Continued
http://www.dw.com/en/illegals-in-germany-face-similar-problems-as-those-in-us/a-1987607
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Continued from topLose-lose situation
Once in the country, illegal aliens keep a low profile. They cannot protest if they are paid too little or not at all for their work, as they risk deportation. Employers often take advantage of the dilemma.
When ill, illegal immigrants are forced to find a doctor who will treat them anonymously and who expects private payment, which most immigrants cannot afford. They therefore often wait until it is almost too late to receive proper treatment.
That was the case with Frida. She had stomach pains for a long time and just took pain killers. She collapsed one day in the city; an ambulance took her to the hospital. Doctors discovered that she had gall stones. She left the hospital after two days, for which she had to pay 500 euros ($630), and still had not had an operation. She continued to live with the pain until an aid organization arranged for surgery. Her gall bladder was already perforated; had she let any more time pass, she would have died.
Not only had she not been able to pay for the operation -- Frida also feared police would track her down in the hospital. Though Frida has just married and has a legal residence permit, she is still scared to talk. The years of living illegally have made their mark.
Public kindergartens and schools are also required to notify police of children or families without proper resident permits. The result: illegal immigrant children do not receive education, and are forced to stay inside out of fear of drawing attention to themselves by not being in school as required for minors.
Restricting illegal immigration harms the economy
One would think the easiest solution would be to crack down on illegal aliens even more. But like in the United States, the demand for them is great. Illegal immigrants provide cheap labor and do the work most Germans avoid, Thomas Straubhaar of the Hamburg Institute of International Economics, said.
"Even if it sounds odd, it's true that -- given the current regulations -- Germany is dependent on illegal employment of foreign laborers," Straubhaar said.http://www.dw.com/en/illegals-in-germany-face-similar-problems-as-those-in-us/a-1987607
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
So from all this I can conclude his focus on our problems and saying we are in the wrong are is the most hypocritical stance I have ever seen displayed on this forum.I have called him out for it numerous times and he refuses to face the music.
Furthermore, the same ideology that keeps his country strong, he wants the exact opposite for America.
This is why I know deep down his hatred for America and our way of life. Because he choses to highlight our problems and say "Oh this is so bad." Yet his country is guilty of much worse in the same subject.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
"Illegal immigrants face deportation. German Office for Migration and Refugees. If they do not have proper papers, illegal immigrants will be deported since they are committing a criminal offense by staying in the country. Only so-called "deportation barriers" can protract them, said Reinhard Marx, an immigration lawyer."Legal deportation barriers include protection for internally displaced persons or asylum-seekers or protection from threats to immigrants' lives, such as torture, should they face it in their home countries," Marx said. "On the other hand, there are the rules governing the situation here: such as when an immigrant is sick or pregnant, making it inadvisable to deport that person due to health reasons."
Illegal immigrants whose identities are not confirmed or who cannot reach their home countries due to disrupted transportation routes, and therefore cannot leave the country, are given a temporary stay permit."
Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't think my country has the exact same issue as the US. However I am dissatisfied with the German immigration policy as well, and want it to be changed.
You sound very upset about it, let me tell you. Is that the most emotion you have about your awful immigration policy?
We turn away people that come here to loaf and latch on, you guys turn away refugees trying to escape termination and genocide in Africa.
Tell me whats worse. Turning away the people on deaths door, or the people coming to exploit our system?
Originally posted by Bardock42
Are you under the impression that the country of Africa is under perpetual danger from genocides? Because if you are, there's two things you are wrong about.
No I'm saying all the africans that try and leave for conflict, you do not accept.
Here is a article on on African trying to stay in Germany.
People leave all the time. Im not saying every person that makes it to Germany is fleeing genocide, Im saying some are some are not, and you can't tell a difference, so they are turned away.
And yes people do flee Africa to Germany.
http://www.breitbart.com/news/germany-expects-up-to-750000-immigrants-in-2015/
When do you allow citizen ship based on birth or amnesty for anyone?
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
People leave all the time. Im not saying every person that makes it to Germany is fleeing genocide, Im saying some are some are not, and you can't tell a difference, so they are turned away.And yes people do flee Africa to Germany.
http://www.breitbart.com/news/germany-expects-up-to-750000-immigrants-in-2015/
When do you allow citizen ship based on birth or amnesty for anyone?
That's not really true. About 40% of people seeking asylum are accepted. There has been a debate about an increase in asylum seekers from the Balkan region. At any rate, I think there should be more options for immigrants in Germany, because I truly believe that immigration is a positive for a country.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Nah, I'll continue to talk about the problems in the US.
Ah, so you admit, you can't talk about your own problems and want to talk about ours.
Your country is completely against illegal immigration, and its hypocritical to point out our problems.
Take the log out of your own eye.
I finally got you to admit you are a hypocrite.
Thank you for doing so.
Moving on, since this is about babies I can make a new thread about German immigration.