It says after he had saved him that his body slugged from ' near light speed travel'..and his eyes of 'almost infinite mass'...clearly showing he didn't exceed light speed,there is no twisting of that,had he gone light speed he would have reached infinite mass.
Surfer searched the entire volume of the planet before strange could complete a sentence( I am not talking about just running round it,actually searching it)
How fast do you think that is?
Originally posted by Genii96
It says after he had saved him that his body slugged from ' near light speed travel'..and his eyes of 'almost infinite mass'...clearly showing he didn't exceed light speed,there is no twisting of that,had he gone light speed he would have reached infinite mass.Surfer searched the entire volume of the planet before strange could complete a sentence( I am not talking about just running round it,actually searching it)
How fast do you think that is?
Yes, because his LAST trip (i.e the trip he undertook just before that panel) would have been with a little old Korean granny (IOW, OUT of the city).
As I said before, when carrying people, he would have been under the speed of light. Never twisted that, never denied that.
It's when he is empty handed, running back into the city, where he is FTL.
Depends on how high up Surfer was flying. IOW, its a sensory feat for Surfer.
At ground level, it would take me a while to search a football field . But if I was floating above it? An instant.
Here's a better search feat.
Here, Flash outreacts LIGHT (or at least, the speed of thought; you can clearly see GL's beam travelling towards WW), searches 500,000 people in a picosecond, grabs them, and then throws them into the path of the same beam of energy.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/107619/2365009-halfmilp.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/107619/2365008-halfmilp2.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/107619/2365007-halfmilp3.jpg
A picosecond for 500,000 people. Earth has 6 billion. That's 12 nano seconds. Let's be generous, and say it takes him a billion times longer to search the entire Earth.
That's 12 milliseconds. FAR, far shorter than Surfer's feat. Unless you think Strange talks incredibly quickly, lol.
That panel said no mention whether it was just the last trip,it just said his travel was near light speed...and again mentioned that he reached 'near infinite mass'...if flash moved at light speed,he would have reached infinite mass already and it would have stated that....his travel was just under lightspeed,not his movement carrying people or any of that...had he gone lightspeed,it would have narrated that he reached infinite mass already,it didn't. Not that it would really matter for surfer who has easily shown ftl reflexes
Surfer didn't just search the people,he searched the planet..each house,each person,each cave,beneath the sea,etc etc..:e searched the entire planet.. I was just wondering how fast that was,that's not even his higher end feats of speed,or even close
Originally posted by Genii96
It says after he had saved him that his body slugged from ' near light speed travel'..and his eyes of 'almost infinite mass'...clearly showing he didn't exceed light speed,there is no twisting of that,had he gone light speed he would have reached infinite mass.Surfer searched the entire volume of the planet before strange could complete a sentence( I am not talking about just running round it,actually searching it)
How fast do you think that is?
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The numbers for that speed ft was given.
Originally posted by Genii96
That panel said no mention whether it was just the last trip,it just said his travel was near light speed...and again mentioned that he reached 'near infinite mass'...if flash moved at light speed,he would have reached infinite mass already and it would have stated that....his travel was just under lightspeed,not his movement carrying people or any of that...had he gone lightspeed,it would have narrated that he reached infinite mass already,it didn't. Not that it would really matter for surfer who has easily shown ftl reflexesSurfer didn't just search the people,he searched the planet..each house,each person,each cave,beneath the sea,etc etc..:e searched the entire planet.. I was just wondering how fast that was,that's not even his higher end feats of speed,or even close
It said he carried them there under light speed. Nothing more, nothing less.
I 10000% agree with that.
People attempt to downplay the feat, but the writer clearly gave the number of people saved, the distance traveled, and the total time it took for all of them to appear.
At no point in the scan does it say he traveled under lightspeed. People haven't really read the scan thoroughly. Then add embellishments that aren't there.
I know Surfer did all that. My point was, even if I was out by a factor of a billion, Flash would still be faster. That is astronomically different.
How about these statements:
I traveled from Washington DC to Florida and back, by car. The distance was 1840 miles.
The whole return journey took 3 hours.
I traveled from DC to Florida at 100mph.
THIS is what the Flash scan essentially is. We know the distance he traveled - it was given. We know how fast he was travelling for ONE leg of the journey (they were carried there....at a hair breadth's under the speed of light).
It says NOTHING about the SECOND leg of the journey. BUT, it DOES give the TOTAL time for the entire rescue operation. To assume anything else is adding to the scan which isn't there. We can only go by what's been printed, and is canon.
In my example, nothing was said about my return journey, from Florida to DC.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes, because his LAST trip (i.e the trip he undertook just before that panel) would have been with a little old Korean granny (IOW, OUT of the city).As I said before, when carrying people, he would have been under the speed of light. Never twisted that, never denied that.
It's when he is empty handed, running back into the city, where he is FTL.
Depends on how high up Surfer was flying. IOW, its a sensory feat for Surfer.
At ground level, it would take me a while to search a football field . But if I was floating above it? An instant.
Here's a better search feat.
Here, Flash outreacts LIGHT (or at least, the speed of thought; you can clearly see GL's beam travelling towards WW), searches 500,000 people in a picosecond, grabs them, and then throws them into the path of the same beam of energy.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/107619/2365009-halfmilp.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/107619/2365008-halfmilp2.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/107619/2365007-halfmilp3.jpgA picosecond for 500,000 people. Earth has 6 billion. That's 12 nano seconds. Let's be generous, and say it takes him a billion times longer to search the entire Earth.
That's 12 milliseconds. FAR, far shorter than Surfer's feat. Unless you think Strange talks incredibly quickly, lol.
Cool story, Surfer wins.
Lolz,if this is about show of speed,surfer has several that puts that bomb show to shame....however,whether flash's speed is a problem or not depends on the reflexes of surfer..
He has shown to easily move and talk moving FTL
http://i.imgur.com/j3MiFiA.jpg
He has thought and reacted in nanoseconds
http://i.imgur.com/YYtA2F4.jpg
Mapped out billions of stars,noting each change and thus predicting where a wormhole will open up,by their relative positions while moving at relative speeds
http://i.imgur.com/C6FgEnh.jpg
Engages in a millisecond conversation,that would take a millenium to convey
http://i.imgur.com/4DtIR8h.jpg
Assesses a situation in a microsecond,and enters the fray in less time
http://i.imgur.com/46uy4kf.jpg
Etc...these are just some reflex/reaction feats...he also carried air walker several light years in few seconds,that's tens of millions of times above light speeds..these are pre annihilation.
His reflexes can easily keep up with flash,no problem,while flash would probably evade his blasts..assuming he fires a planetary wide blast? Or decides to mind wipe flash? Or mess with his atoms? It requires just a thought..surfer can keep track of things light years away,flash aint running anywhere in the planet....way too many ways to win.
For those arguing it was beneath light speed, we were given very specific numbers. There is no ambiguity to the term 0.00001 microseconds, is there? That is a precise measure of time. There's no ambiguity to the term 35 miles, is there? That's a precise measurement of distance. There's no ambiguity in 532,000 people, is there? What is indirect about these things, that I had to do grade school math?
You can't say he wasn't above lightspeed in the event unless you believe he did not save those people. You can't have it both ways. It is literally impossible for him to save 532,000 people by moving them 35 miles in 0.0001 microseconds (or in a few seconds if you take Jesse's third hand knowledge over the statement in the original comic yourself).
Seriously, if you think, honestly truly believe, Wally was under light speed in this feat, how did the people not die? Just answer me that. This is important because Wally clearly saved those people. You are more worried about Wally being seen as weaker that you ignore what you're arguing for entails. It literally means he can't do what he did.
If you are one of those who say preference should not determine fact. The fact is Wally saved half a million people before a nuke could harm a single soul. Tell me how he did it at under lightspeed and I'll believe you.
Furthermore Jesse didn't correct anything. She literally referenced an event she was not there to witness and we have no idea where she heard about what Wally did from. It's a truly irrelevant page and it's a shame you're so attached to it.
Originally posted by Genii96
Lolz,if this is about show of speed,surfer has several that puts that bomb show to shame....however,whether flash's speed is a problem or not depends on the reflexes of surfer..
He has shown to easily move and talk moving FTL
http://i.imgur.com/j3MiFiA.jpgHe has thought and reacted in nanoseconds
http://i.imgur.com/YYtA2F4.jpgMapped out billions of stars,noting each change and thus predicting where a wormhole will open up,by their relative positions while moving at relative speeds
http://i.imgur.com/C6FgEnh.jpg
Engages in a millisecond conversation,that would take a millenium to convey
http://i.imgur.com/4DtIR8h.jpg
Assesses a situation in a microsecond,and enters the fray in less time
http://i.imgur.com/46uy4kf.jpgEtc...these are just some reflex/reaction feats...he also carried air walker several light years in few seconds,that's tens of millions of times above light speeds..these are pre annihilation.
His reflexes can easily keep up with flash,no problem,while flash would probably evade his blasts..assuming he fires a planetary wide blast? Or decides to mind wipe flash? Or mess with his atoms? It requires just a thought..surfer can keep track of things light years away,flash aint running anywhere in the planet....way too many ways to win.
I posted a flash speed feat on the first page
Flash moved at 250 Quattuordecillion times the speed of light.
Originally posted by Genii96
Lolz,if this is about show of speed,surfer has several that puts that bomb show to shame....however,whether flash's speed is a problem or not depends on the reflexes of surfer..
He has shown to easily move and talk moving FTL
http://i.imgur.com/j3MiFiA.jpgHe has thought and reacted in nanoseconds
http://i.imgur.com/YYtA2F4.jpgMapped out billions of stars,noting each change and thus predicting where a wormhole will open up,by their relative positions while moving at relative speeds
http://i.imgur.com/C6FgEnh.jpg
Engages in a millisecond conversation,that would take a millenium to convey
http://i.imgur.com/4DtIR8h.jpg
Assesses a situation in a microsecond,and enters the fray in less time
http://i.imgur.com/46uy4kf.jpgEtc...these are just some reflex/reaction feats...he also carried air walker several light years in few seconds,that's tens of millions of times above light speeds..these are pre annihilation.
His reflexes can easily keep up with flash,no problem,while flash would probably evade his blasts..assuming he fires a planetary wide blast? Or decides to mind wipe flash? Or mess with his atoms? It requires just a thought..surfer can keep track of things light years away,flash aint running anywhere in the planet....way too many ways to win.
Milisecond?
Nanoseconds?
Damn. That's fast.
Here's a smirk for you.
Here is a table showing the comparisons:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_prefix
Note, he not only said he could think at the speed of light, he then goes on to clarify he can perceive things that are LESS than an attosecond.
Why hasn't anyone mentioned the Surfer recently outracing the destruction of reality? Isn't that fast? What about streaking toward Thanos with the IG and covering the distance in a second or less? Surely people aren't arguing that he moves slow? How fast does a character have to be going to move back in time? I'm just wondering how we can state that one of these guys moves faster than the other?
Originally posted by Stoic
Why hasn't anyone mentioned the Surfer recently outracing the destruction of reality? Isn't that fast? What about streaking toward Thanos with the IG and covering the distance in a second or less? Surely people aren't arguing that he moves slow? How fast does a character have to be going to move back in time? I'm just wondering how we can state that one of these guys moves faster than the other?
Because Flash outraced all of existence, time, and all concepts years ago. Then his momentum restarted all of creation, AKA big bang.
Originally posted by Board Walker
[b]You have asked for the light, wisdom, and understanding that flows forth from me? So be it, I will enlighten this reality.During the Human Race, Wally outraced instantaneous teleportation from the Cosmic Gamblers -- that could be seen as a pseuod time travel feat, though, as he raced across the fourth dimension to do it (The fourth dimension is time).
Directly after that, though, he was definitely not time traveling. Over the span of one Septosecond, which is 0.000000000000000000001 seconds, he tuned every radio on Earth.
There are 150,000,000 square kilometers of land on Earth. Light travels about 300,000 kilometers per second. To cover 150,000,000 kilometers, it would take light 500 seconds. For simplicity's sake, if you assume there is 1 radio for every square kilometer on earth (that is lowballing it greatly), that means he was traveling 500,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times faster than light, or 500 septillion.
Understand that I am greatly, greatly lowballing this feat as it doesn't take into account the time it takes him to tune every radio, the accurate density of radios per square kilometer (much higher than my guess, i just used mine to make the multiplication and division easier), radios that aren't on land (such as every boat on the planet that has a radio) or the time it takes him to search the square of every kilometer -- if he had to search every square inch then it'd be 500 septillion squared, or 250,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 which is 250 Quattuordecillion times the speed of light.
Here's the feat in action:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/145371/2986991-9365844816-speco.jpg [/B]
Originally posted by Board Walker
So far I have demonstrated how the Flash with the speed force is able to manipulate time, durability, endurance, matter, and reality. Now I will demonstrate how the Flash with the Speed Force can also manipulate Space, time, and reality on a multiversal scale.Now to demonstrate how the Flash is "faster" than instantaneous, universe wide teleporation. On the very first page of the race (Flash vs the Gambler) shows that the cosmic gambler is teleporting right as Wally begins running:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/145371/3914339-4324768764-speco.jpgThe proof that Wally hasn't already finished the race despite the fact that the gambler has teleported is shown in the very next page, where Wally actually has a long conversation with Krakkl:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/145371/3914341-9397565467-speco.jpg
Wally then gets there before the teleporting cosmic gambler.
Lol for anyone who wants the full context of this supposed feat go here: http://imgur.com/a/99zgz
Not only did Flash have to borrow Krakkyl's kinetic energy, he had to borrow the kinetic energy of everyone on Earth including the JLA and other speedsters e.g., Superman, Max Mercury, Jay Garrick, Jessie Quick, and Impulse. In other words, he needed prep and was MASSIVELY amped.
You'll notice too the "septosecond" feat was done while he had this massive amp too.
And not to rain on people's party, the OP said DCNU Flash...
http://i.imgur.com/toCg00U.jpg
