Okay,maybe I misinterpreted,I said this isn't a feat war of who had more speed feats..I merely pointed out that surfer's reaction would allow him handle the flash's attack/combat speed as he has fought,and reacted while going ftl....and has a plethora of attacks that would kill flash,its quite simple really.
Or he could just pull a ravenous and be done with it.
And I am pretty there is scan of surfer moving 500,000 light years in seconds or so somewhere around here
So how does Flash deal with somebody bombarding him with planet busting attacks from Saturn.? He dies. I like how people ***** about me using peoples powersets in debates while they jerk off forum flash. Regardless, moving his arms and legs really fast isnt going to save him from someone who can destroy the planet your on without you ever seeing themn
Originally posted by long pigsteal speed, move limbs at ftl speeds, have attosecond relations, IMP, vibrate intangible through things and blow them up, etc.
What can flash do that surfer can't?
Surfer isn't that fast in battle. He's actually slower than superman. Flash is significantly faster than Superman. Wally could easily steal Surfer's speed and IMP ko him.
Originally posted by ShadowFyreleaving the battlefield isn't allowed. Battlefield distance is 500 meters. Flash could steal Surfer's speed and IMP ko him for the easy win.
So how does Flash deal with somebody bombarding him with planet busting attacks from Saturn.? He dies. I like how people ***** about me using peoples powersets in debates while they jerk off forum flash. Regardless, moving his arms and legs really fast isnt going to save him from someone who can destroy the planet your on without you ever seeing themn
Originally posted by long pig
Lol....so flash can wave his arms a little faster?
Hey now.
Caveat: I am NOT saying that Flash is more versatile than Surfer. I am merely saying that he can do more than just 'wave his arms a little faster'.
With that in mind, let's go.
Electricity powers:
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/elctromag2.jpg
Speedsteal (without touching):
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/stealtrain.jpg
Speedsteal (of the entire planet):
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/kinteplanet.jpg
Speedforce armour, which responds to his thoughts:
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/speeforsuit3.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/speair.jpg
Accelerating neurons in the brain:
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/spedbraishift.jpg
Strategising in nanoseconds:
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/FlashV2229page15.jpg
Well...here's 'waving his arms faster':
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/thourock.jpg
Projecting his speed (so without touching):
http://i.imgur.com/9G2Eh0v.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/t8jQudP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/k2v9qIg.jpg
Matter manip-ish:
http://i.imgur.com/tEWvbXo.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/MFt9J8m.jpg
Plus other skills.
i wonder--has ss ever blasted anything at ftl speeds? i mean has his BLAST ever reached a target ftl? because pre-boot wally, if he wanted, could actually LET ss blast him, move aside THEN hit ss before the blast had a chance to hit him where he HAD been. another fact--jay garrick (a much lesser flash than wally) has stolen the speed from ENERGY, and wally taught him how to steal speed. it is by no means at all impossible for wally to steal the speed of whatever earth-breaking blast ss fired, GAIN said speed and make himself even FASTER.
here's another possibility--wally knows the speed formula. he was on the receiving end of it twice. it boosted his speed to the point where he was able to fight evenly with ZOOM. they covered EVERY INCH OF THE EARTH and circled it MORE THAN 12 TIMES in less than a second in that fight. even superman was nothing but a statue to them.
another fact--if he DID recite the speed formula, or DID feel like draining the energy from a blast, or from ss himself, that boost would enable him to INSTANTLY accelerate to ftl speed. in THAT state, jay garrick was able to punch johnny sorrow (a trans being) with enough force to punch him THROUGH SPACE TIME. sorrow was obliterated by the punch.
none of these things are theoretical, nor are they flash wanking. flashes have DONE all these things, ON PANEL. jay and barry were actually caught in the middle of an explosion (the explosives went off THEN they realized) but got out of it BEFORE the force of the explosions was able to strike them. i could show scans of all these things, but it still wouldn't matter to many, so i shant bother.
ss has it all over flashes in terms of versatility. it doesn't matter if he never has a chance to use any of it and in a forum setting i don't see how he would. i do love to see the hate that flashes pull from others. when their feats are brought up it's always considered wanking. having read both characters extensively for years, flash (wally anyway) is definitively faster than norrin. wally can surpass norrin's best feat, AND he has NUMEROUS 'best feats'. if you don't think so, you simply haven't actually READ many flash issues. which of course also renders your opinion on this topic meaningless. 😂
Originally posted by leonidas
i wonder--has ss ever blasted anything at ftl speeds? i mean has his BLAST ever reached a target ftl? because pre-boot wally, if he wanted, could actually LET ss blast him, move aside THEN hit ss before the blast had a chance to hit him where he HAD been. another fact--jay garrick (a much lesser flash than wally) has stolen the speed from ENERGY, and wally taught him how to steal speed. it is by no means at all impossible for wally to steal the speed of whatever earth-breaking blast ss fired, GAIN said speed and make himself even FASTER.here's another possibility--wally knows the speed formula. he was on the receiving end of it twice. it boosted his speed to the point where he was able to fight evenly with ZOOM. they covered EVERY INCH OF THE EARTH and circled it MORE THAN 12 TIMES in less than a second in that fight. even superman was nothing but a statue to them.
another fact--if he DID recite the speed formula, or DID feel like draining the energy from a blast, or from ss himself, that boost would enable him to INSTANTLY accelerate to ftl speed. in THAT state, jay garrick was able to punch johnny sorrow (a trans being) with enough force to punch him THROUGH SPACE TIME. sorrow was obliterated by the punch.
none of these things are theoretical, nor are they flash wanking. flashes have DONE all these things, ON PANEL. jay and barry were actually caught in the middle of an explosion (the explosives went off THEN they realized) but got out of it BEFORE the force of the explosions was able to strike them. i could show scans of all these things, but it still wouldn't matter to many, so i shant bother.
ss has it all over flashes in terms of versatility. it doesn't matter if he never has a chance to use any of it and in a forum setting i don't see how he would. i do love to see the hate that flashes pull from others. when their feats are brought up it's always considered wanking. having read both characters extensively for years, flash (wally anyway) is definitively faster than norrin. wally can surpass norrin's best feat, AND he has NUMEROUS 'best feats'. if you don't think so, you simply haven't actually READ many flash issues. which of course also renders your opinion on this topic meaningless. 😂
show the scans!! that is insane, i dont know much about the flash corner of the dcu but i lve that kinda shit
People keep bringing up Wally and I agree Surfer vs Wally is a lot different then this fight..which doesn't involve Wally. I don't think Barry has ever shown any type of speed stealing. Wally wouldn't actually need to be able to do any damage to Surfer to defeat him, Barry doesn't have those kind of options.
