Vitiate/Kun/Malak v. Sidious/Krayt/Maul

Originally posted by Nai
Kun would demolish Maul.

Malak [...] I'm not certain that he could defeat Maul in a lightsaber fight. He could probably defeat him with the force though.

Vitiate's mind-control, that could instantly "turn" or tKO the entirety of the opposite team (at least Maul)

Vitiate's ability to summon a combination of force lightning / mind domination in room-size in a combat situation would definitely take down Maul.

Kun's amulet blasts / Sith Magic, that could tKO Maul.

I think we're agreed he has no chance at beating him in a lightsaber duel, fortunately.

Lol, Vitiate one-shot Revan. What's Maul gonna do?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Lol, Vitiate one-shot Revan.

Though, Vitiate can probably definitely TP one-shot Maul, tbh.

Originally posted by ILS
As for Malak, again I'd love to hear an argument for him beating Maul with the Force.

I think we're agreed he has no chance at beating him in a lightsaber duel, fortunately.

Darth Malak was designed as someone who is clearly able to challenge beings on the playing field of Revan, and is even a better duelist than Revan Reborn (novel Revan incarnation). I sincerely doubt you could say the same for Darth Maul unless we are purely factoring in technical skill with a lightsaber. He has Force powers that has labeled him as one of the most powerful Sith Lords in history and is believed by many to have even surpassed Darth Revan - who is enormously powerful in his own right. I have a hard time believing Darth Maul is going to be able to defend against Darth Malak's telekinetic assaults that are instantly overcoming midgame!Revan, the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy, or his Force Stasis fields which are also ridiculously powerful. He also has considerable Force Drain and Force Lightning that should be able to tip the tide as well.

Revan charged up his own energies in preparation for the attack ("Realizing he couldn’t close the gap between them quickly enough to stop the assault, he gathered his own energy and spread his hands before him, ready to catch and absorb the Emperor’s attack."😉 and it was mid-duel so he couldn't have benefited from prep.

The Emperor was already channeling his energies before Revan realized what was happening. Plus, preparation could allow the Emperor to have quicker access to his reserves, tbh.

I feel that much is besides the point though, given the Emperor's non-charged lightning is still capable of stopping Revan dead in his tracks. Maul obviously doesn't stand a chance. 👆

Originally posted by ILS
I'd ask that you substantiate Vitiate and Kun's ability to oneshot Maul with evidence.

Help yourself for Kun. Vitiate? Seriously? The guy leveled a strike team consisting of some of the most powerful Jedi in the Galaxy - including the HoT and turned the likes of Revan and Malak into his personal slaves with his mind domination. Maul is going to do what exactly? I'm not even sure that Sidious can shrug that off, but Maul...? Pff.

As for Malak, again I'd love to hear an argument for him beating Maul with the Force.

Malak has force choked and electrocuted several Jedi at once - and he was capable of holding up Revan for a brief period of time, even if he finally was defeated by his former comrade.

I think we're agreed he has no chance at beating him in a lightsaber duel, fortunately.

I wonder how you translated my "I'm not certain[...]" regarding Malak's chance to win a lightsaber fight against Maul into "We agree that he has no chance." Again: He was capable of keeping up with Revan over a certain period of time, even if he happily admits he is inferior to his former comrade, after being defeated by him.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The Emperor was already channeling his energies before Revan realized what was happening. Plus, preparation could allow the Emperor to have quicker access to his reserves, tbh.

I feel that much is besides the point though, given the Emperor's non-charged lightning is still capable of stopping Revan dead in his tracks. Maul obviously doesn't stand a chance. 👆

Revan demonstrates instant reactions earlier and considering his fabled battle precog and obvious genius, I highly doubt he just watched as Vitiate gathered his power like a zombie. Lol at him doing it before Revan knew what he was doing, he was looking right at him. Vitiate would have a merest edge on him in terms of gathered power. And no it wouldn't, you're just making shit up again.

Yes. Vitiate can also mindfvck him and ragdoll him. Or attack him with sorcery. It's utterly wrong-headed to think that Maul stands a chance at not being one-shot considering Sidious could ragdoll he and Savage at once and Vitiate is close to Sheev.

The dark side nexus of Kaas affected Revan's senses abilities (allegedly, at least). Agree to disagree on the other points.

On a dark side nexus, Vitiate should clearly be able to summon energies faster and more intense than Revan though. 😬

But yeah. 👆

Sidious - Vitiate fight is the one that matters most and it ends in team 2's favor. Also, Maul would defeat Malak so the only advantage team 1 has is Kun's slight superiority over Krayt which isn't enough to grant team 1 a victory.

Team 2 wins.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Seems to me spirits are usually weaker when possessing bodies, ala Ragnos and maybe Talzin.

Is this part of your "keeping the opponent off balance" play? Because as I recall, in our last Muur discussion, you strongly advocated the exact opposite in the case of Celeste.

Originally posted by Sinious
Sidious - Vitiate fight is the one that matters most and it ends in team 2's favor.

I seriously wonder how that is going to happen. Vitiate is the embodyment of the power of several thousand Sith Lords, crammed into a single entity that makes the air flicker around it with its accumulated Dark Side energy. I really don't see a single reason, why Vitiate shouldn't be able to one-shot Sidious. After all, he has done that to the collective Dark Council in a single force attack before...

Also, Maul would defeat Malak

Again, one can only wonder how that should work. Maul maybe has an advantage on Malak in sabers. And that's a big "maybe". In the Force, Maul doesn't even register next to Malak.

so the only advantage team 1 has is Kun's slight superiority over Krayt which isn't enough to grant team 1 a victory.

"Slight superiority"? Funny stuff. Also thank you for providing an argument against Vitiate mind dominating the entire opposing team, smiting them with room sized lightning or watching while Kun blasts them apart. 👆

Team 2 wins.

If you can give me a reason why and tell me how, I might believe that...

Originally posted by Nai
I really don't see a single reason, why Vitiate shouldn't be able to one-shot Sidious.

😆

Oh wait, he's serious. 😐

Originally posted by Nai
I seriously wonder how that is going to happen. Vitiate is the embodyment of the power of several thousand Sith Lords, crammed into a single entity that makes the air flicker around it with its accumulated Dark Side energy. I really don't see a single reason, why Vitiate shouldn't be able to one-shot Sidious. After all, he has done that to the collective Dark Council in a single force attack before...

Sidious is a much more powerful and faster opponent than the Revan Vitiate faced. Not to mention, unlike Revan, Sidious is a top tier duelist(possibly the best duelist in the mythos) and would be able to kill Vitiate very easily should the gap between them close.

Again, one can only wonder how that should work. Maul maybe has an advantage on Malak in sabers. And that's a big "maybe". In the Force, Maul doesn't even register next to Malak.

"Slight superiority"? Funny stuff. Also thank you for providing an argument against Vitiate mind dominating the entire opposing team, smiting them with room sized lightning or watching while Kun blasts them apart. 👆

If you can give me a reason why and tell me how, I might believe that...

Simply better feats and accolades.

Personally I see it like this. Both characters vitiate and Sidious are extremely powerful and are both renowned as the most powerful sith the universe has ever seen. So is kun. However at the end of the day Sidious beats both. Mr. Nai. Your argument that Vitiate is the embodiment of thousands of Sith Lords. While I agree that is true, Darth Bane created the Rule of Two due to that reason. Why share all the secrets and have several sith competing for the top spot why not know all the secrets and pass it down to one. Sidious is the embodiment of generations of sith which have mastered not only techniques from vitiates era, but many other eras of sith, and not just sith Jedi as well. Sidious not only mastered all of these abilities he created abilities to his pleasure. Also wasn't Sidious a nexus by himself or he created a nexus once he died in ROTJ.

Also one thing I would like to point out, no one is possessing Sidious or one shooting him. Sidious having the title most powerful Sith Lord of all time, being the embodiment of darkness, being called the shadow, someone described as basically being darkness and the darkness just wanting to burst, sow own with that power isn't going to get killed by one shot even if it is fully charged. He isn't getting mind controlled or anything else. He's too powerful.

Originally posted by Sinious
Malak is almost featless in the force department

Originally posted by Sinious
doesn't even come close to Maul in dueling. Maul has rivaled with some of the best duelists in the mythos, what has Malak that is comparable to Maul's feats?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
> Character is featless if they don't have PT level showcasing.

Rivaling "some of the best duelists in the mythos." 👆

Names, please. Maul has actual showings against impressive opponents. 👆

Enlighten us. Darth Malak doesn't get his SF amp here so what has he done without it to suggest that he can defeat Maul in a pure force fight?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66

One-shotting midgame!Revan with the Force twice and being so powerful that his mere thoughts cause disturbances in the Force that can be felt sectors away, perhaps? [/B]

There's this guy named Darth Revan who comes to mind. And this girl named Bastila Shan. mmm Must be nothing, never-mind.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
"some of the best duelists in the mythos."

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Bastila Shan.

😬