Wolverine vs Bourne

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
You should remember that the same applies for Bourne

The same claws that allowed him to cut through prtty much everything without trying? Now you are simply focusing ont he lowest feats. Remmebr the same can be done for Bourne

Wolverine's adamantium skeleton says hi

It will begin to when Wolverine gets his hits in, unless you're suggesting Bourne won't be touched by Wolverine, which is bull

Unless Wolverine is going to die from the throat chop, he has shown enough pain tolerance to keep fighting

Then by all means, include Bourne's low end feats. That still doesn't mean you get to turn a blind eye to Wolverine getting his ass completely blitzed by an unarmed Mystique nor the fact that humans were blocking claw swipes from Wolverine with a katana.

Prove that Wolverine can continue fighting despite getting his throat crushed if he doesn't have his HF? That's a pretty lofty claim you're putting there, you'll need to back it up.

As for Wolverine unable to land hits on Bourne, that's exactly what I'm saying. Considering this is Wolverine without his powers and a pure h2h fight - Wolverine will eventually land hits but not before Bourne has landed multiple debilitating hits already.

Would like to point out that Mystique herself has displayed superhuman strength, agility, and high end martial arts skills in all 5 movies she's been in. She'd kill Bourne in a hit or two.

And they might have blocked claw swipes, but he's still done stuff like cut off a robot's head(in the Danger Room), cut clean through a man's arm with a single swipe, and chopped a scaffolding down in a few swipes.

And in The Wolverine he had his HF nearly stopped and took multiple stab wounds and bullets pretty well.

Originally posted by FrothByte
As for Wolverine unable to land hits on Bourne, that's exactly what I'm saying. Considering [b]this is Wolverine without his powers and a pure h2h fight - Wolverine will eventually land hits but not before Bourne has landed multiple debilitating hits already. [/B]

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Wolverine is without his claws or healing factor, not totally depowered and human. And he still has his adamantium skeleton. Which will reduce the damage that Bourne can inflict on him, and those "evetually" landing hits has the potential to cause more damage than Bourne's in a feature-less environment.

In X1 a cage fighter hit Wolverine multiple times without hurting himself. Only hurt himself when he hit Logan's forehead straight on IIrC.

Adamantium skeleton won't stop getting your joints dislocated or tendons torn.

Logan is stronger than Bourne, agreed. But it won't be enough to make up for the massive skill gap.

Originally posted by FrothByte
In X1 a cage fighter hit Wolverine multiple times without hurting himself. Only hurt himself when he hit Logan's forehead straight on IIrC.

Adamantium skeleton won't stop getting your joints dislocated or tendons torn.

Logan is stronger than Bourne, agreed. But it won't be enough to make up for the massive skill gap.

Logan has done things that should have yanked his bones from his body, but it hasn't happened, so Bourne won't be able to do it.

If going 50 or more and using one arm as a pivot to turn yourself around doesn't dislocate Logan's shoulder, Bourne won't.

Originally posted by KingD19
Logan has done things that should have yanked his bones from his body, but it hasn't happened, so Bourne won't be able to do it.

If going 50 or more and using one arm as a pivot to turn yourself around doesn't dislocate Logan's shoulder, Bourne won't.

There's a difference to being the one actively doing an action (using one hand to pivot yourself) and having someone else twist your joints in a way they don't want to go. The first scenario allows you to prepare your body and muscles for the action.

Besides, pivoting from one hand is nothing new to action cinema. Baleman was able to lift a 200 poind man with one arm. Any of the fast n furrious cast have crazy strength feats similar. Do you mean to tell me all of them are invulnerable to dislocated joints?

Originally posted by FrothByte
There's a difference to being the one actively doing an action (using one hand to pivot yourself) and having someone else twist your joints in a way they don't want to go. The first scenario allows you to prepare your body and muscles for the action.

Besides, pivoting from one hand is nothing new to action cinema. Baleman was able to lift a 200 poind man with one arm. Any of the fast n furrious cast have crazy strength feats similar. Do you mean to tell me all of them are invulnerable to dislocated joints?

Run over by a train? That's quite an exaggeration don't you think?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Run over by a train? That's quite an exaggeration don't you think?

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Sorry. Run over by a train-car. Happy? Anyway, do you know which scene I was talking about?

I'm thinking the fight he had with Sabertooth on top of the train. Was there a different train scene?

I don't remember any time Wolverine fought Sabretooth on a train. He fought with X1 Sabretooth near some ice mountains then on top of the Statue of Liberty. In Origins he fought him first near a tavern, then near Remi's casino and then finally at the island. I meant in the first fight, after dropping some logs on Logan's head Victor threw him onto a oncoming train car carrying some more logs. The only train fight scene I remember was from The Wolverine movie but Sabretooth was nowhere to be found 😛

Hulk is right.

During Logan's first fight with Sabretooth in Origins, after dropping a few tons of trees on him, Sabretooth picks one off of him, then yanks him up and tosses him in front of a speeding truck. He gets bounced up, bounces off some more trees, then falls on the train tracks where Victor snaps his claws. Bourne is not dislocating anything if none of the damage Logan has taken over 6 movies has never even so much as dislocated his shoulder.

Even in DoFP Magneto blasted him hundreds of feet away and he smacked into the water going a pretty good speed with multiple heavy pieces of metal piercing his body. He seemed just fine when they pulled him out.

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Skip to about 2:40 to see how easy it was for Victor to hoist that tree up. That thing is a few hundred pounds at the least.

Oh right that was a truck. I didn't see it properly so i mistook it for a train car because of the tracks