Originally posted by McP
Control over midichlorians >>> gigadrain. Plagueis solos
Since we're entering the realm of gross speculation with the notion that Nihilus could leech a Force user of the caliber of Krayt/Plagueis at all, let alone without preparation, perhaps one might suggest that Plagueis could simply eliminate Bane and Nihilus by commanding their midi-chlorians to disperse a la Veruna?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Sounds like a great idea when the Exile is standing in front of the dude and he just got shafted for trying that. He was greatly weakened and in a close quarters fight and he still beat everyones ass until Visas weakened him again.But no bro you got me Nihilus is a sham he can't drain anyone
So the Exile standing in front of him was a reason not to drain... but apparently she's not that much of a threat because he was still winning... sounds like you need to make your mind up?
The Exile makes it too dangerous to try his drain, duh. If it hits her he gets fvcked again. Visas probably does too since she's bonded to him and he doesn't want to kill her. So he's being attacked in close range by two people he can't use it on. Nihilus is a being of instinct, if he got burned by something he's not going to turn around and try it again.
Mandalore is the least threatening combatant anyway, I doubt Nihilus would strain himself looking for a way to drain him for no benefit. Guess what, as a non-force sensitive he can be killed by any Force attack, but it's not like him surviving proves Nihilus can't use the force any more than Revan not snapping Cipher 9's neck proves Revan can't do TK.
Uh huh. So the guy who can allegedly spare Visas from a planetary drain of mass chaos can't use his drain on Taris because the Exile is standing in front of him and he can't avoid hitting her or Visas but he's still powerful enough to, quote you, beat "everyones ass" except when he can't.
It's amusing to watch you flounder so helplessly.
I edited.
Nihilus wasn't fighting 3 people at once in CQC at Katarr. I've pointed out solid reasons why Mandalore wasn't drained, your nitpicks achieve nothing. Mandalore was ultimately a non-force sensitive who's therefore a nonfactor for Nihilus' drain in the midst of combat. The fight takes place in gameplay, shit happens. And I'm not telling you he could still beat them, he does and then Visas weakens him.
It's pathetic how you strain to try and bother me, over and over again. Get a life, Jessy.
What's pathetic is how effortlessly I succeed. To be able to drive you to such epic desperation.
I am truly powerful.
So to recap: Nihilus has epic power and control and can wield this shit effortlessly, but suffers from crippling performance anxiety when fighting 3 people {one of them being, as you so graciously put it, a "non-factor"}, even though he can beat their asses.
Makes a lot of sense! 👆
lol
I think that Traya's ease of draining the Jedi Council on Dantooine is evidence in favor of N.'s ability to drain the people here. In the TSLRP version, Traya was able to drain the masters even after being identified as Sith; they weren't exactly taken off guard. So we have evidence of drain in the face of numerical advantage and raised "defenses."
But why wouldn't N. simply drain the raiding party? Tobin answers that in one of the few areas where he is an in-universe expert: interpersonal relations with Darth N. Tobin describes N.'s perspective as one that encompasses planets, with little attention to spare for the actual running of the ship by individuals. This suggests that N simply doesn't care about individual, non-force sensitive agents. Notably, N. does attempt a drain on the Exile, which backfires (for well-established reasons). Now injured, he faces his apprentice (who he doesn't want to kill) who is bonded incidentally to a Jedi who cannot be drained. The non-Force Sensitive barely factors into the equation, but various dialogues with Kreia suggest that Canderous was also bonded to the Exile. Thus there is ample evidence that N.'s perspective does not allow for a great deal of concern about Canderous, as well as an in-universe reason to avoid trying to drain him anyway.
A final addendum: draining Telos was explicitly going to weaken, not strengthen big N. He was expecting a feast and would instead get a depopulated world with a single now-dead Jedi Sith Atris. The whole Onderon plotline is a gambit to get N. to overextend, luring him into the open without a populated world or cluster of Force users to feed upon. N. was to be at his weakest even if he launched a drain at Telos.
For the matchup itself, have we seen Plagueis weaponize midichlorians in combat at all? Against opponents with active Force connections? Against users of Bane's caliber? Against wounds in the Force? (I think that last point has textual evidence that N.'s connection is fundamentally different, metaphysically if not biologically, from others. The Jedi Council doesn't sense a restoration of the Exile's connection, just the bonds to many other users. Instead of one connection that needs to be severed, Plagueis would need to sever or manipulate the echo of more than a billion lives interacting through N.'s body...)