Originally posted by Stoic
Actually haha heh. You're wrong according to forum rules at least. You should check out the ruling that was specifically given to the Hulk in these cases.
What????? I didn't know that. I guess rules are rules, but in the Hulks case it's kind of his thing so I disagree. I guess Hulk just gets to do whatever he wants.
Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
What????? I didn't know that. I guess rules are rules, but in the Hulks case it's kind of his thing so I disagree. I guess Hulk just gets to do whatever he wants.
hey I argued against it before, but the rules state that he comes in to matches pissed off. In a way it makes sense so we can get a more accurate average for him. Even in comics though, it really doesn't take him that long to ramp up, and his HF often keeps him in the fight long enough to reach a particular level and surpass it... So.
Originally posted by Stoic
hey I argued against it before, but the rules state that he comes in to matches pissed off. In a way it makes sense so we can get a more accurate average for him. Even in comics though, it really doesn't take him that long to ramp up, and his HF often keeps him in the fight long enough to reach a particular level and surpass it... So.
I appreciate you telling me. I just think of it defying all logic about his history. You are right it doesn't take him long to ramp up. I just think of the one time he was calm and Dr. Sampson knocked him out. I always looked at Savage Hulk as like a 75 to 80 tonner calm. I mean that is tough enough for a lot of his enemies. Someone like Superman though. I just don't think it's enough to ever catch Supes in his Savage Hulk form.
Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
I appreciate you telling me. I just think of it defying all logic about his history. You are right it doesn't take him long to ramp up. I just think of the one time he was calm and Dr. Sampson knocked him out. I always looked at Savage Hulk as like a 75 to 80 tonner calm. I mean that is tough enough for a lot of his enemies. Someone like Superman though. I just don't think it's enough to ever catch Supes in his Savage Hulk form.
Well that's something else that I argued about off forum with a friend at work about. he made a good point about the Savage Hulk not having a static base level. His argument was that it all depended on what sparked the transformation in the first place. For example; If Betty were in danger of being killed by the Abomination, his starting level would be higher than it would be, if Leonard tossed him through a door in his human form, and he transformed into the Hulk. His transformation all depended on adrenaline, and this is always sparked by circumstance. In this way, I see the logic behind the Mod's ruling for just skipping the why's and simply going for the Hulk coming into fights sufficiently pissed.
Originally posted by carver9
No, he wasn't calm when Sampson knocked him out and there was some major context to that showing anyways. Can someone post a scan showing the strength of a default Hulk. One scan please because all of Hulk showings goes against what is being said here. Let's not make up things.
This is all I am going to say and I am done. he had calmed down as he was no longer angry. He thought Sampson was a hologram and was no longer angry. He basically calmed down crossed his arms and was knocked out. If he was angry Sampson would have not even hurt him arms crossed or not. It shows Hulks base level. If Savage Hulk was sitting on a stoop in Brooklyn smoking the fattest joint ever subdued and calm. If Spiderman walked up and hit him with all his might Hulk would not even blink. If the wrecker did it I doubt he would notice it. What Sampson did gives you an idea about a calm Hulk.
Originally posted by Stoic
Well that's something else that I argued about off forum with a friend at work about. he made a good point about the Savage Hulk not having a static base level. His argument was that it all depended on what sparked the transformation in the first place. For example; If Betty were in danger of being killed by the Abomination, his starting level would be higher than it would be, if Leonard tossed him through a door in his human form, and he transformed into the Hulk. His transformation all depended on adrenaline, and this is always sparked by circumstance. In this way, I see the logic behind the Mod's ruling for just skipping the why's and simply going for the Hulk coming into fights sufficiently pissed.
Yeah it cuts out the middle man. I see why they did it too. I do have a question though. Do you have a personal opinion of what a Savage Hulk just calmly walking through the desert all lonely would be at strength wise? Thanks.
Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
This is all I am going to say and I am done. he had calmed down as he was no longer angry. He thought Sampson was a hologram and was no longer angry. He basically calmed down crossed his arms and was knocked out. If he was angry Sampson would have not even hurt him arms crossed or not. It shows Hulks base level. If Savage Hulk was sitting on a stoop in Brooklyn smoking the fattest joint ever subdued and calm. If Spiderman walked up and hit him with all his might Hulk would not even blink. If the wrecker did it I doubt he would notice it. What Sampson did gives you an idea about a calm Hulk.
You don't have to not say anything. It really does show that Hulk doesn't have a specific base level. Spider Man and captain America has kayoed him in the past, so there's that too. savage Hulk was even choked out by an anaconda, so that may not really be a low showing but him on the verge of reverting to Banner, or simply at a very low level in terms of strength. Throughout his history Savage Hulk had tough times against guys that Merged hulk tore apart with ease, but then at his highest, or higher levels his strength levels dwarf Merged Hulk's levels. Then there's the whole CIS thing that was confirmed by Amadeus Cho when he deduced that the Hulk nearly always holds back, for fear of killing an innocent in one of his mindless rampages. This is further driven home during the end of WW Hulk when he begs the heroes to stop him. However, we see that when no innocent is in peril of death, he feels fine with opening the floodgates and letting go. The Hulk has always interested me because of his dynamic personality clashes.
Originally posted by Stoic
You don't have to not say anything. It really does show that Hulk doesn't have a specific base level. Spider Man and captain America has kayoed him in the past, so there's that too. savage Hulk was even choked out by an anaconda, so that may not really be a low showing but him on the verge of reverting to Banner, or simply at a very low level in terms of strength. Throughout his history Savage Hulk had tough times against guys that Merged hulk tore apart with ease, but then at his highest, or higher levels his strength levels dwarf Merged Hulk's levels. Then there's the whole CIS thing that was confirmed by Amadeus Cho when he deduced that the Hulk nearly always holds back, for fear of killing an innocent in one of his mindless rampages. This is further driven home during the end of WW Hulk when he begs the heroes to stop him. However, we see that when no innocent is in peril of death, he feels fine with opening the floodgates and letting go. The Hulk has always interested me because of his dynamic personality clashes.
I was messing with Carver about not saying anything. I have never seen CA kayoing Savage Hulk. That is just wrong for that to happen. Do you have the issue number? I want to read that.
Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
I was messing with Carver about not saying anything. I have never seen CA kayoing Savage Hulk. That is just wrong for that to happen. Do you have the issue number? I want to read that.
Don't have the issue number, and it was just a panel. Anyway back on topic. I don't see Konvikt beating a sufficiently pissed Savage Hulk where there are no innocents in jeopardy of being harmed. Doc Green not too sure about, but I'd give the nod to Konvikt, and I really can't see the Green Scar losing.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Glad you ask. Since you are not the lowball poster like others, here you go. Just New 52 Superman, the old one had some uber feats that are above those here.1. Superman benchpressing the weight of earth, without sunlight, for 5 days straigth just to get a drop of sweat. Even if he was pressing the weight every 2 seconds that's benchpressing the earthweight 216.000 times, just for a single drop of sweat, again without his power source.
Note: he wasn't unable to move because of that weight, it didn't pin him to the ground, he actually lifted it. 😉
2. His punches, even if stated to be mountain toppling, which is impressive by itself, were felt from the center of earth to the farthest edges of our atmosphere. Batman felt the schockwaves in the back of his teeth.
3. Stopping Brainiacs Mothership with Martian Manhunters help, that dwarved the earth and was moving with 63000 Miles per hour toward it.
That's it's size. About 95 Earth masses. Even if you take half of it that's still 47,5 times our earth mass.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_medium/10/106356/4014599-5021191257-2014-.jpg
4. Once he became serious and stopped holding back, he ripped Doomsday in half who was dominating WonderWoman and him before this.
To be honest even Thor has better strength feats than most of these, Hulk has done virtually everything you can do with strength and beyond.
Originally posted by Stoic
Anyway back on topic. I don't see Konvikt beating a sufficiently pissed Savage Hulk where there are no innocents in jeopardy of being harmed. Doc Green not too sure about, but I'd give the nod to Konvikt, and I really can't see the Green Scar losing.
Though Doc Green did snap an amped Rulks arm like a twig despite being in a rear naked choke:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22952958/Hulk_2014-_015-009.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22952960/Hulk_2014-_015-010.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22952961/Hulk_2014-_015-011.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22952962/Hulk_2014-_015-012.jpg.html
^Only P5 Namor broke Rulk that casually. As I said Rulk was amped here too.
They shook the whole planet in that fight, Doc Green was laughing while doing it:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22837414/Hulk_2014-_014-012.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22837415/Hulk_2014-_014-013.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22952950/Hulk_2014-_015-005.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22952952/Hulk_2014-_015-006.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22952954/Hulk_2014-_015-007.jpg.html
DG just doesn't have many feats, but he was up there too.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Hulk supported and actually started to lift the spear which had the weight of the star it was forged from, that same star had turned supernova which would mean it was a massive amount of weight and is more impressive than anything here.To be honest even Thor has better strength feats than most of these, Hulk has done virtually everything you can do with strength and beyond.
He was pinned down and out of the fight, by any stretch of imagination he wasn't lifting anything, he failed. So please try again and show us something that Hulk could lift and not something he couldn't. 😉
Originally posted by The Sorrow
This.Though Doc Green did snap an amped Rulks arm like a twig despite being in a rear naked choke:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22952958/Hulk_2014-_015-009.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22952960/Hulk_2014-_015-010.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22952961/Hulk_2014-_015-011.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22952962/Hulk_2014-_015-012.jpg.html^Only P5 Namor broke Rulk that casually. As I said Rulk was amped here too.
They shook the whole planet in that fight, Doc Green was laughing while doing it:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22837414/Hulk_2014-_014-012.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22837415/Hulk_2014-_014-013.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22952950/Hulk_2014-_015-005.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22952952/Hulk_2014-_015-006.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/22952954/Hulk_2014-_015-007.jpg.htmlDG just doesn't have many feats, but he was up there too.
Doc Green also shook the planet in his fight against the alternate Hulk.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
😆
What's funny is that all of Superman superior to Hulk feats are negated by a nonfeat. If I am trapped in a cage an not capable to lift and escape it I am suddenly strong enough to lift it? dur
Also shaking the planet is exactly wht Superman did but it's not valid because it's Superman, while it's valid because it's Hulk dur
Best of all, WBH by taking a step endangering the east coast, while Superman just by standing and letting go of his power endangered the southern hemispehere.
The gap in strength and power between those two is immense. Hulk could match an holding back Superman but only barely.
But this is about Konvikt, so. Pre-DCnU Superman was even stronger, though I am not sure if Trinity is in continuity. Still I give Konvikt the win, he has no low showings, compared to Hulk.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
😆What's funny is that all of Superman superior to Hulk feats are negated by a nonfeat. If I am trapped in a cage an not capable to lift and escape it I am suddenly strong enough to lift it? dur
Also shaking the planet is exactly wht Superman did but it's not valid because it's Superman, while it's valid because it's Hulk dur
Best of all, WBH by taking a step endangering the east coast, while Superman just by standing and letting go of his power endangered the southern hemispehere.
The gap in strength and power between those two is immense. Hulk could match an holding back Superman but only barely.
But this is about Konvikt, so. Pre-DCnU Superman was even stronger, though I am not sure if Trinity is in continuity. Still I give Konvikt the win, he has no low showings, compared to Hulk.
I can pick this post apart. Rip it to shreds if I wanted but Bada said stop so I'm going to respect that.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Hulk supported and actually started to lift the spear which had the weight of the star it was forged from, that same star had turned supernova which would mean it was a massive amount of weight and is more impressive than anything here.To be honest even Thor has better strength feats than most of these, Hulk has done virtually everything you can do with strength and beyond.
