Is Christianity in Decline in America?

Originally posted by Star428
I have no doubt Christianity is on the decline. That's one of primary reasons why our nation has fallen so far and not only from a morality standpoint either. Also, it's a clear sign that we are living in last days because the decline (along with persecution of Christians) was propheseid in the Bible. So believers rejoice at this news because they know it means we are getting close to the time when Christ will return. 🙂

Yeah, because the morals of the Christian majority were so great before.

No they bloody weren't. And it's a shame too, because for all the good Christianity did and does do, people like to drag it down in to the dumps.

Originally posted by Digi
So instead of promoting what you see as a just and true religion to bring people into the fold, you're delighting in the idea that billions are about to die, future generations will never exist, and most of those billions - many of them goodly and innocent people - are to be condemned to Hell for believing the wrong stuff.

Am I getting that right? I'm not attempting a debate here. Believe whatever you want. I'm just genuinely curious about the specificity of your position on this.

It has very little to do with what a Christian or non Christian wants to promote Digi. It's just something that is happening in the world that we are currently living in. Instead of looking solely at the decline of Christianity in the US, we should also pay attention to what is forcibly happening overseas. In northern Africa ISIS has actually been one of the sole reasons for Christianity declining in several countries. Churches have literally come under fire, Christians are being put to death by being beheaded, and many Pastor's simply give up their churches for fear of reprisal. To many of these Pastor's, the Christian faith is nothing more than a job that they are unwilling to die for. There's more to it than the simple surface dust that you may know about. Real talk. Oh, and before i forget, the things that are happening just happen to have been written to happen in the bible. Stopping it from continuing would be a lot like trying to stop the pollution from spreading in the waters around the planet, and keeping several species of animals from becoming extinct. People try, but in most cases, they find themselves losing the battle.

Originally posted by Stoic
It has very little to do with what a Christian or non Christian wants to promote Digi. It's just something that is happening in the world that we are currently living in. Instead of looking solely at the decline of Christianity in the US, we should also pay attention to what is forcibly happening overseas. In northern Africa ISIS has actually been one of the sole reasons for Christianity declining in several countries. Churches have literally come under fire, Christians are being put to death by being beheaded, and many Pastor's simply give up their churches for fear of reprisal. To many of these Pastor's, the Christian faith is nothing more than a job that they are unwilling to die for. There's more to it than the simple surface dust that you may know about. Real talk. Oh, and before i forget, the things that are happening just happen to have been written to happen in the bible. Stopping it from continuing would be a lot like trying to stop the pollution from spreading in the waters around the planet, and keeping several species of animals from becoming extinct. People try, but in most cases, they find themselves losing the battle.

Er, yeah, ok. Go back and look at the context of my quote that you responded to. I was only responding to Star's apocalyptic rant. I wasn't trying to touch on, well, any of the things you're bringing up. If you want to lead the discussion there, that's fine. But it's a bit of a cheap shot to act like I'm ignorant of Christianity outside a single country when I clearly wasn't having a discussion about it until you brought it up.

LOL. Digi, as I"ve mentioned in religion forum before, I have no interest in anything you have to say religion-related because you always display a condescending attitude towards believers. MY "apocalyptic rant", LMAO. You have a strange notion of what a "rant" is. Get over yourself, Digi. I couldn't care less what you think about my beliefs and things that are clearly propheseid to happen. So please, keep up your pathetic trolling everytime I post something religion-related. I'll just keep ignoring it. 👆

Originally posted by Stoic
In northern Africa ISIS has actually been one of the sole reasons for Christianity declining in several countries. Churches have literally come under fire, Christians are being put to death by being beheaded, and many Pastor's simply give up their churches for fear of reprisal.

I think there should be more awareness about Christian massacres currently going on. The Catholic Orthodox churches have greatly suffered because of these wars 🙁

Originally posted by Bentley
I think there should be more awareness about Christian massacres currently going on. The Catholic Orthodox churches have greatly suffered because of these wars 🙁

There is no doubt christians killed in the past but currently muslim extemists own the title of killing for crazy, alot.

Originally posted by Digi
Er, yeah, ok. Go back and look at the context of my quote that you responded to. I was only responding to Star's apocalyptic rant. I wasn't trying to touch on, well, any of the things you're bringing up. If you want to lead the discussion there, that's fine. But it's a bit of a cheap shot to act like I'm ignorant of Christianity outside a single country when I clearly wasn't having a discussion about it until you brought it up.

Oh really well i guess i took what you said out of context. I really thought that I was actually responding to what you said. This is what I was replying to, and I will quote you.

"So instead of promoting what you see as a just and true religion to bring people into the fold, you're delighting in the idea that billions are about to die."

That was what I replied to. If you felt slighted or insulted by what I wrote, keep in mind that I have no idea what you know, or do not know about what is actually going on in the world concerning the decline of Christianity. All the same, it has a lot to do with with the climate of this discussion, and what is going on as a whole with the topic worldwide. My entire point was simply to bring up that nothing can stop what is happening. People can cheer it on, or boo it, but nothings going to actually change it. Not really sure what's with the attitude Digi? I did take note of your general pleasure for the decline though.

Originally posted by Bentley
I think there should be more awareness about Christian massacres currently going on. The Catholic Orthodox churches have greatly suffered because of these wars 🙁

Yes, and what is to stop this sort of thing from happening in the US? things may not become as gory, but what stops political correctness from turning all religions into a one world religion? Shit, Riv just posted a topic that brought up the idea that it is politically incorrect to call a man a man, and a woman a woman.

Originally posted by snowdragon
There is no doubt christians killed in the past but currently muslim extemists own the title of killing for crazy, alot.

Can you be more precise in what you mean by Christians and Muslims? I know Muslims that would never think of killing. ISIS like the Crusaders that killed in God's name were just murderers hiding behind religion to complete their hidden agendas. Just because you confess to be something, does not mean that you are that something. To be a Christian, or a Muslim you have to actually follow the tenets of those religions, or should we consider the KKK, or people that practice Santeria (La Regla Lucumi) Christians as well? Not getting on you, just trying to show the differences.

Originally posted by Stoic
Can you be more precise in what you mean by Christians and Muslims? I know Muslims that would never think of killing. ISIS like the Crusaders that killed in God's name were just murderers hiding behind religion to complete their hidden agendas. Just because you confess to be something, does not mean that you are that something. To be a Christian, or a Muslim you have to actually follow the tenets of those religions, or should we consider the KKK, or people that practice Santeria (La Regla Lucumi) Christians as well? Not getting on you, just trying to show the differences.

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Good post for those that attribute mass murder to religion.

Originally posted by psmith81992
You make zero sense.

http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/05/13/the-real-but-overstated-decline-of-american-christianity/?_r=0
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/faith-matters/2015/05/14/decline-in-us-christians-doesnt-mean-god-is-losing-ground
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/losing.faith.in.america.study.shows.decline.in.religion.rise.in.atheism/53790.htm

As pertains to the last link (which is the general study being discussed), I did not know they only interviewed 35,000 people. That is a SMALL sample size.

But none of what you just said means what I said makes zero sense. Even if its a small size, this is a positive thing IMO. But you realize you're kinda saying "you make no sense" and then one of your reasons for that is I didn't know the size of the survey..something you said you didn't know either until looking at the link. I also didn't mention a number of any kind in my post, so how could an opinion of "I find this to be a positive thing" not make any sense?

But anyways, if it is in decline..even a little bit, it's time we started removing any references to "God" from our currency and anything else issued by the government.

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Originally posted by psmith81992
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Good post for those that attribute mass murder to religion.

But some mass murder can be attributed to religion. It's quite irrelevant if they act in a way not befitting of the religion they follow. If someone is killing in the name of religion that is..killing for religion. Nobody has ever said all mass murder in history was due to religion. On the other hand anyone acting like murder hasn't been done in the name of religion is woefully ignorant to history.

You can also see the craziness religion brings out in people first hand in this very thread. I mean someone was talking about the friggin end of days with and how having less Christians is a bad thing for the country.

Secularists are also responsible for mass murder. I said your argument makes no sense because you keep saying that a decline in religion is good because....

I never said religious people were the only people who committed atrocities. As for a decline in religion being good, well..you haven't really shown why it would be bad.

I could meet you half way and say it is neither bad nor good.

It isn't bad or good, it's irrelevant i think.

I read that Christianity is on the rise, not on the decline.

Originally posted by Star428
LOL. Digi, as I"ve mentioned in religion forum before, I have no interest in anything you have to say religion-related because you always display a condescending attitude towards believers.

This is not true. He's always been respectful towards me in our religious discussions and he has even praised me on multiple occasions.

I'm all about calling out anti-religious condescending assholes but in this case, it's just not true.

The problem is your approach.

Originally posted by Stoic
Oh really well i guess i took what you said out of context. I really thought that I was actually responding to what you said. This is what I was replying to, and I will quote you.

[b]"So instead of promoting what you see as a just and true religion to bring people into the fold, you're delighting in the idea that billions are about to die."

That was what I replied to. If you felt slighted or insulted by what I wrote, keep in mind that I have no idea what you know, or do not know about what is actually going on in the world concerning the decline of Christianity. All the same, it has a lot to do with with the climate of this discussion, and what is going on as a whole with the topic worldwide. My entire point was simply to bring up that nothing can stop what is happening. People can cheer it on, or boo it, but nothings going to actually change it. Not really sure what's with the attitude Digi? I did take note of your general pleasure for the decline though.[/B]

Few things. One, I wasn't slighted or insulted at all. I just wanted to make it clear that my post was responding to something having nothing to do with your post. The billions about to die was Star invoking the "end of days" which would presumably mean the entire world.

Second, my "general pleasure" has only to do with the decline in the US. Again, it has/had nothing to do with atrocities committed abroad, which I would condemn as quickly as anyone else. Based on the totality of my posts, it should be pretty clear that any positive trend I see is due to the increased secularization of the world, not forceful or violent reprisals against particular religions.

Third, I was actually fairly specific later in that post that I saw the decline as mostly a neutral thing. Please include that in your assessment of my posts.

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Originally posted by Stoic
Can you be more precise in what you mean by Christians and Muslims? I know Muslims that would never think of killing. ISIS like the Crusaders that killed in God's name were just murderers hiding behind religion to complete their hidden agendas. Just because you confess to be something, does not mean that you are that something. To be a Christian, or a Muslim you have to actually follow the tenets of those religions, or should we consider the KKK, or people that practice Santeria (La Regla Lucumi) Christians as well? Not getting on you, just trying to show the differences.

They have a different interpretation of the religion than many, but they still belong to it. Christian communists would be pretty opposed to Star428 politically. Some may even argue capitalism is down right blasphemous.

Doesn't make them less Christian. Same for Islamic socialists(Sayyid Qutb for example).

Originally posted by dadudemon
I read that Christianity is on the rise, not on the decline.

This is not true. He's always been respectful towards me in our religious discussions and he has even praised me on multiple occasions.

I'm all about calling out anti-religious condescending assholes but in this case, it's just not true.

The problem is your approach.

I think what he means is Digi uses big words that he doesn't understand.

Is that condescending?

Ah well.

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No, I meant exactly what I said. I'm not an idiot like the majority of libtards are on this site. I know damn well when someone is displaying a condescending attitude towards me. Probably half the people on my ignore list are there because of that. Unfortunately, Digi can't be ignored by using the convenient ignore function so I have to ignore him the old fashioned way. Which is harder and annoying but well worth it.

Originally posted by Star428
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No, I meant exactly what I said. I'm not an idiot like the majority of libtards are on this site. I know damn well when someone is displaying a condescending attitude towards me. Probably half the people on my ignore list are there because of that. Unfortunately, Digi can't be ignored by using the convenient ignore function so I have to ignore him the old fashioned way. Which is harder and annoying but well worth it.

I'm joking, mate.