The GT characters are so far beyond Whis/Beerus that there is no point in even trying to quantify them on a sliding scale. They are hundreds/thousands of times more powerful.
As for Vegetto: I believe as a SSJ he would probably fall around the level of 30% Beerus(that would still make SSJG Goku 2x more powerful, which is fair.) If that is indeed the case, then a theoretical SSJ3 Vegetto(which would be 4x> SSJ) would be more powerful than Beerus, but still below Whis.
As for the rest of the Z characters: they are all [significantly] weaker than 10% Beerus. The only exception is Bootenks, who would probably be around the level of 15% Beerus.
IMO.
I know that. But come on now.
What if Goku only increased his power by x10 at the end of DBS. But at this level of power he can vaporize a universe with a gesture or better yet he becomes one with the universe. Would you still consider GT superior?
They are different universes. Different power increases can mean different things.
Don't get me wrong I get where you guys are coming from, but you need to draw a line somewhere...
Originally posted by bbrem123
I know that. But come on now.What if Goku only increased his power by x10 at the end of DBS. But at this level of power he can vaporize a universe with a gesture or better yet he becomes one with the universe. Would you still consider GT superior?
They are different universes. Different power increases can mean different things.
Don't get me wrong I get where you guys are coming from, but you need to draw a line somewhere...
In GT they became hundreds of times stronger tho. If in Super they can do all that but are technically weaker than Gt then I guess we would have to attribute it to the big fish small pond thing. Super is uber power in their own universe but if we put the GT squad in Super then they would be able to do all that and more
Kinda like what they do on death battle. Guy one might be the biggest baddest badass in his verse but that don't mean shit in guy two's world. So far GT is guy two. I really hope Super gets to a point that GT is the weaker so we don't have to talk about it as much but for now it isn't there yet
Idk about that though. DBS seems to be getting set up as guy two. They are at the beginning and have character being said to have the power to destroy a universe. Unknown to how they would but still.
These kinds of things only happened at the end of GT. Which has its own context behind it.
It is like an alternate Silver Surfer one shotting Thanos or something. Just because he did this doesn't mean that Surfer is superior to 616 Surfer.
Originally posted by bbrem123
Idk about that though. DBS seems to be getting set up as guy two. They are at the beginning and have character being said to have the power to destroy a universe. Unknown to how they would but still.These kinds of things only happened at the end of GT. Which has its own context behind it.
It is like an alternate Silver Surfer one shotting Thanos or something. Just because he did this doesn't mean that Surfer is superior to 616 Surfer.
I have no issue with Super becoming stronger than GT. In fact I fully hope they do. But I can objectively say they aren't yet and not even close.
The destroy a universe thing was left ambiguous and it was said about Buu too. Fact is Beerus cannot one shot the universe unless specifically shown or canonized in some way. Saying he could destroy the verse could just as easily mean eventually since only Whis could stop him.
DBGT universe can be bigger and stronger than Z's or just operate differently. Doesn't mean it isn't currently more powerful. Mario is a good example here I think. He can do pretty much any darn thing in his verse but he would still get ripped apart by Kratos or Superman or or Goku or some other guy that can't do all the same stuff in their verse
Originally posted by juggerman
I have no issue with Super becoming stronger than GT. In fact I fully hope they do. But I can objectively say they aren't yet and not even close.The destroy a universe thing was left ambiguous and it was said about Buu too. Fact is Beerus cannot one shot the universe unless specifically shown or canonized in some way. Saying he could destroy the verse could just as easily mean eventually since only Whis could stop him.
DBGT universe can be bigger and stronger than Z's or just operate differently. Doesn't mean it isn't currently more powerful. Mario is a good example here I think. He can do pretty much any darn thing in his verse but he would still get ripped apart by Kratos or Superman or or Goku or some other guy that can't do all the same stuff in their verse
I agree for the most part. DBS is very new. Not much has been established yet with it. I just wanted to clarify that these kinds of debates are very up in the air.
I get the multipliers and how they make GT uber but there is really nothing to back up that power. Which is why I brought up the destroying a universe example. Just shows that you really have to draw a line with GT power levels and how somebody "weaker" in multiplier terms can actually far superior power wise.