Re: Re: If Whis is a 15....
Originally posted by NewGuy01H...How powerful do you think SSJ4 Gogeta is?
1Below Golden Freezer C:<
Less than 0.5
A very big number. Likely in the thousands.
An utterly negligible number.
Less than 1
Oh god. Um...
.000000000001? Something like that?
Fusing with the Potara earring is a stronger fusing then with the Fusion dance.
Originally posted by NewGuy01He's... not that much stronger then SSJ3 Vegetto.
Dozens of times stronger than a guy who's ten times stronger than SSJ4 Goku. Who's ten times stronger than SSJ3 Goku. Who's a couple hundred times stronger than his DBZ counterpart.I do figure that he'd be a very large number.
Also, Vegetto > Gogeta.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Dozens of times stronger than a guy who's ten times stronger than SSJ4 Goku. Who's ten times stronger than SSJ3 Goku. Who's a couple hundred times stronger than his DBZ counterpart.I do figure that he'd be a very large number.
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Originally posted by Jmanghan
He's... not that much stronger then SSJ3 Vegetto.Also, Vegetto > Gogeta.
It's not a hypothetical GT Vegetto. It's Z Vegetto.
Base Goku was already superior to Buu, early in GT. He only got stronger after that.
Originally posted by Galan007
Base GT Goku~base Rildo, who was confirmed to be "even more powerful than Majin Boo." This means base GT Goku ~/> SSJ3 Z Goku.That said, when GT Goku transformed into a SSJ, his PL would have increased by [b]50x
. When he transformed into SSJ2, his PL would have increased by an additional 2x. When he transformed into SSJ3, his PL would have increased by an additional 4x.As for SSJ4: we also know that Super Baby Vegeta 2(who was >> SSJ3 GT Goku) gained a 10x power increase when he became a Golden Oozaru. This is important because n00b SSJ4 Goku was on par with Golden Oozaru Baby. Subsequently, this means SSJ4 was more than 10x> SSJ3.
In a nutshell:
n00b SSJ4 Goku [10x>] SSJ3 GT Goku [4x>] SSJ2 GT Goku [2x>] SSJ GT Goku [50x>] base GT Goku [~] base Rildo [>] Majin Boo [~] SSJ3 Z Goku [400x>] base Z Goku.OR we can simplify it by saying that n00b SSJ4 Goku was at least 4,000x> SSJ3 Z Goku. 🙂
Stupid as it sounds, that is the type of absurd power we're dealing with in GT. [/B]
And considering the fact that SSJ Baby Vegeta (before ascending to SBV1 and SBV2 forms) was not impressed at all with SSJ3 Goku, the SSJ4 amp had to be way more than 10x over SSJ3.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWWhen SSJ3 Goku fought SBV the first time, he was tailless. After regaining his tail, Goku's power increased across the board--so the multiplier is still applicable.
And considering the fact that SSJ Baby Vegeta (before ascending to SBV1 and SBV2 forms) was not impressed at all with SSJ3 Goku, the SSJ4 amp had to be way more than 10x over SSJ3.
That said, SSJ4 IS more than 10x> SSJ3, because SSJ4 stalemated Oozaru-Baby, who was 10x> SBV2, who was >> SSJ3 Goku(peak.) So if we assume that SBV2 was between 1.5-2x> SSJ3, then it means SSJ4 would have gleaned him a 15-20x boost--which would make SSJ4 Goku between 6,000-8,000x> SSJ3 Z Goku... And remember: SSJ4 isn't a static transformation/multiplier--every Saiyan's boost is different. That's why we saw an even more insane increase when Vegeta went SSJ4.
However, I just like sticking with the 10x multiplier for SSJ4 Goku because it doesn't rely on speculation, and can be substantiated with concrete evidence as a baseline low-end figure.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW10x is still a whole lot depending on what his power level already was.
Base Goku was already superior to Buu, early in GT. He only got stronger after that.And considering the fact that SSJ Baby Vegeta (before ascending to SBV1 and SBV2 forms) was not impressed at all with SSJ3 Goku, the SSJ4 amp had to be way more than 10x over SSJ3.
Originally posted by Galan007
The GT characters are so far beyond Whis/Beerus that there is no point in even trying to quantify them on a sliding scale. They are hundreds/thousands of times more powerful.As for Vegetto: I believe as a SSJ he would probably fall around the level of 30% Beerus(that would still make SSJG Goku 2x more powerful, which is fair.) If that is indeed the case, then a theoretical SSJ3 Vegetto(which would be 4x> SSJ) would be more powerful than Beerus, but still below Whis.
As for the rest of the Z characters: they are all [significantly] weaker than 10% Beerus. The only exception is Bootenks, who would probably be around the level of 15% Beerus.
IMO.
More or less I agree with you bar the fact that Ssj3 Vegetto would be 8X his Ssj counterpart, and not 4X: if you thus put Ssj Vegetto at 30% of Beerus, then his Ssj3 form would surpass even Whis by a decent margin (Ssj3 Vegetto would fall at 24 against Whis' 15).
Not that I've got anything against that. 👆