Are the Westboro Baptist Church people for real?

But let us go over this wacky chain of events:

-person points out she wasn't religious when she did her shady stuff
-I point out reasons that despite that I still find it hypocritical
-You say I am just sticking my fingers in my ears and saying "nope" despite the fact I explained quite clearly why I still felt she was..which for me a prerequisite of the whole "sticking your fingers in your ears" thing is the person not really bothering to explain themselves
-I then explain in even more detail why I feel the way I do, then a poster singles out a single sentence out of said explanation and say "this shows you just must hate religion".

Yet this person says things like "we aren't in middle school" without even the slightest hint of irony.

Originally posted by Surtur
But see to me it's totally hypocritical and this is again why I say it comes down to opinion.

Let me give you an example. This skank is a cheater. Okay, she finds religion. Now, if she wants to use that to say "Because of my beliefs I will never ever cheat again" then FINE super awesome. But if she were to go to another cheating female and be condemning her and judging her for shit she did before? That is hypocritical.

You might say "but she isn't condemning people for doing what she did" but she still feels that because she has now found religion it gives her the right to dictate what others should do or how they should live their lives.

That is hypocritical to me, if you want to use religion to fix up your own life fine.

would you also say that when a former gang member & murderer reforms their life and then goes around speaking out against and condemning gang violence, that makes them hypocritical?

if not, the why not? they are doing the same thing you're accusing this woman of doing... namely judging people for doing shit they used to do.

if you say yes they are hypocritical, then it seems like in that case being hypocritical is a good thing. unless we want to say that it's a bad thing for former gang members to use their experience and knowledge to help combat and speak out against gang violence.

it seems to me that the only difference between my example and what you're saying this woman is doing is that we can all agree gang violence is bad... where as we can't all agree that sex outside heterosexual monogamy is bad. and i agree with you there. i don't think it's a big deal at all. i think the people who are worked up about what others do in their bedrooms are living in the wrong century. but they're not necessarily hypocrites.

a hypocrite to me would be the anti-gay pastor/politician who is then busted for visiting male prostitutes while they are still actively condemning homosexuality.

I actually don't think your example quit fits though when it comes to gangs and here is why: this woman had a change of heart and then used her job to try to impress her own religious views on people.

So to use your example, if this woman cheated and then found religion and then went around giving talks to people on how to avoid adultery? THAT would be awesome and that is more akin to your example. She isn't using past mistakes to try to better the world. She is using her religious conversion as an excuse to condemn shit she knows nothing about.

but i don't think that distinction has much to do with hypocrisy

going around an verbally condemning adultery is no less judgmental than refusing to issue marriage licences. it's just that you can judge people all you like, you can't transgress against them on the basis of that judgement though.

that is just once again her being obnoxious and abusing her power. which i agree she should be condemned for. i'm glad they made an example of her for that.

I feel it all ties in. Is there more of an abuse of power then anything else? Of course. The hypocrisy for me comes in her judging people. Now she's found religioun and suddenly it gives her the right to judge the lifestyles of others? Not only to judge, but to impose her own beliefs on them by saying who can or can't be allowed to marry?

So either she is judging people or we have the much worse alternative: she gives two shits about gay people getting married and is merely against it because the bible told her to be against it. If that is the case then she isn't a hypocrite, just a sheep.

we'll just have to agree to disagree then i guess

my only point is that the potential for redemption is important

i don't agree with her views or her abuse of power though. and if she had been a lifelong christian, i would feel the same way.

i get why it seems different... does make her seem like a johnny-come-lately type of half assed martyr.. just don't know that hypocrite is the right word

But the problem is you are seeing this through the wrong kind of example. There is no redemption here. Just go back to your example about the gang member and violence and then talking out against violence. That is someone using their own experience with a subject in order to talk to people about it and try to make the world a bit of a safer place.

This woman isn't doing that though. There is no redemption here. There is nothing to redeem and if becoming religious made her this way this woman was actually *more *tolerant when she was cheating and all that jazz.

This woman uses a religion that talks about love and understanding to promote her ideas that are just the opposite. I saw an article today saying she was freed. Hopefully this will cause her 15 minutes of fame to run out.

To paraphrase a Facebook meme I saw, it's funny that this woman is so against homosexuality, even though adultery made God's top ten list.

I think she should just resign. Though of course it didn't take long after being freed for this woman to be out giving statements.

Also they seriously played "eye of the tiger" for her. I swear to god it's like nobody really needs to even say anything about this because the people involved just..do it all for you.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/judge-orders-kim-davis-freed-kentucky-jail-n423541

They talk about her as if she is some kind of freedom fighter.

The title of the article says she "vows" to keep on pressing. Last I checked when it came to vows this woman wasn't very good at honoring them.

@Surtur. I agree with you on how you can see this woman as being a hypocrite. I can't see her being any better than the Pharisees of the old days. Jesus said that if any have not sinned, let that person cast the first stone. She may have the knowledge of a Sage, but if she has no love, understanding, or compassion for people, and places her beliefs above those virtues, she may as well be clapping with one hand.

Same sex marriages are/should no longer be a concern of Christians. It is something that God can only judge, and it has now become the law of the land. Anyone breaking the law should go to jail. The idea that this woman raises one above the other is what makes her a hypocrite. Hopefully she and many others will receive a revelation on this subject.

Originally posted by Stoic
@Surtur. I agree with you on how you can see this woman as being a hypocrite. I can't see her being any better than the Pharisees of the old days. Jesus said that if any have not sinned, let that person cast the first stone. She may have the knowledge of a Sage, but if she has no love, understanding, or compassion for people, and places her beliefs above those virtues, she may as well be clapping with one hand.

Same sex marriages are/should no longer be a concern of Christians. It is something that God can only judge, and it has now become the law of the land. Anyone breaking the law should go to jail. The idea that this woman raises one above the other is what makes her a hypocrite. Hopefully she and many others will receive a revelation on this subject.

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Why are you pretending that you read and understood what is written in the Bible? Jesus told that same woman that was to be stoned to STOP sinning, He didn't tell her to go out and commit more adultery.

I'll get to your other points as time permits, if no one else responds to them. There's a LOT of misinformation you've typed here that needs addressing.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Kim Davis's now well-known affairs occurred BEFORE her 2011 conversion. The last being apparently 2 years prior, minimum, at least according to Wikipedia:

Davis has been married four times to three different men.[4] The first three marriages ended in divorce in 1994, 2006, and 2008. She is the mother of twins, who were born five months after her divorce from her first husband. Her third husband is the biological father of the twins, who were adopted by her second husband, Joe, who is also her fourth and current husband.[27]

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Again, nearly all the behavior Surtur or whoever cited to brand Kim Davis a "skanky cheater", or "hypocrite", or what have you, occurred BEFORE she became markedly religious.

2008 being the year of her most recent divorce.

2011 the year of her religious conversion.

So Baptists are not Christians? Because Kim Davis was a Baptist for at least 27 years before "converting" to Apostolic Christianity and becoming Pentecostal four years ago. Just check the records of the Rowan County Clerk.

When I was a kid, we had this odd felt banner with Linus from Peanuts on it, along with a quote of his. It hung in a couple different rooms through the years. It said "It doesn't matter what you believe, so long as you're sincere."

Obviously the quote itself is benign, and in the context of Charles Schultz's life's work, can't be seen as anything but endearing. And I always thought it was a nice sentiment, a piece of profound wisdom. At least until I was a certain age, and realized the potential folly of it. Kind of a shame when sincerity isn't always paired with kindness. The former alone isn't enough to be justifiable.

Originally posted by Ayelewis
This is related to the situation of Kim Davis, the Kentucky court clerk who tried to prevent gay marriages and is now sitting in jail. It seems that the Westboro people have a deep hatred for Kim Davis. They said the following on their Twitter account:

Apparently the WBC people are outraged over Kim's four marriages to three different men. Strangely, they are also upset over her violation of her oath.

So what do you think? Is WBC sincere in their preachings or not? I keep vacillating between the two poles but it seems to me that they're as crazy as they seem and they're not faking it.

twitter.com/WBCSaysRepent

Also, they've previously supported Chick-Fil-A over its president's controversial remarks about gay marriage but I don't think that Dan Cathy wants their help.

Unless she is Catholic, I don't see the point/relevance of her being remarried. It is however a fact that gay/lesbian relationships have the shortest life on relationsips.

http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS04C02

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
So Baptists are not Christians? Because Kim Davis was a Baptist for at least 27 years before "converting" to Apostolic Christianity and becoming Pentecostal four years ago. Just check the records of the Rowan County Clerk.

I'm sure Baptists are A okay with adultery and all that jazz. Let us all be grateful she eventually found the lord..and used the lord to try to dictate how others live their lives..like a good Christian.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
It is however a fact that gay/lesbian relationships have the shortest life on relationsips.

http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS04C02 [/B]

*checks how many failed relationships this chick has* She must be secretly lesbian then.

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm sure Baptists are A okay with adultery and all that jazz. Let us all be grateful she eventually found the lord..and used the lord to try to dictate how others live their lives..like a good Christian.

*checks how many failed relationships this chick has* She must be secretly lesbian then.

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The sad thing is this woman isn't the only person doing this..just the only one receiving any attention. Probably because with her you had people actually filing some kind of charges/complaint.

But this is just going to lead to more people refusing to do their job and us not being able to fire them for it. This is ultimately what makes us look the worst. Not that this woman doesn't want gays getting married, but that we apparently have to sit here and take this and let these people do what they want. I'm guessing some kind of committee would need to be called to even think about getting rid of these people.

Just change the rule, make it so these people can be fired immediately. Doesn't mean you make it in a way that allows you to get rid of elected officials for silly reasons, but if they are refusing to do their duties? They need to be gone instead of continuing to collect a paycheck.

Originally posted by Surtur
The sad thing is this woman isn't the only person doing this..just the only one receiving any attention. Probably because with her you had people actually filing some kind of charges/complaint.

But this is just going to lead to more people refusing to do their job and us not being able to fire them for it. This is ultimately what makes us look the worst. Not that this woman doesn't want gays getting married, but that we apparently have to sit here and take this and let these people do what they want. I'm guessing some kind of committee would need to be called to even think about getting rid of these people.

Just change the rule, make it so these people can be fired immediately. Doesn't mean you make it in a way that allows you to get rid of elected officials for silly reasons, but if they are refusing to do their duties? They need to be gone instead of continuing to collect a paycheck.

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Rules must be followed ... so just change the rule ...
That's pretty much the point of civil disobedience.

yea, no need to change the rule imo. i'm fine with the current solution

leave her in jail until her martyr batteries run out of juice

and if she's like the energizer bunny in that regard... then maybe she'll just grow old and die behind bars. who cares?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
It is however a fact that gay/lesbian relationships have the shortest life on relationsips.

http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS04C02

It is a fact that the Family Research Council is an anti-gay hate group.

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm sure Baptists are A okay with adultery and all that jazz. Let us all be grateful she eventually found the lord..and used the lord to try to dictate how others live their lives..like a good Christian.

Unless or until she divorces her current husband, and either remarries her first husband or chooses to remain celibate for life, then she is committing adultery.