Are the Westboro Baptist Church people for real?

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
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Rules must be followed ... so just change the rule ...
That's pretty much the point of civil disobedience.

When the rule keeps dipshits like Kim Davis employed yes they need to be changed.

Originally posted by red g jacks
yea, no need to change the rule imo. i'm fine with the current solution

leave her in jail until her martyr batteries run out of juice

and if she's like the energizer bunny in that regard... then maybe she'll just grow old and die behind bars. who cares?

But then you aren't fine with the current solution since Davis has been set free. Not only has she been set free, but her stunt has no doubt inspired OTHERS to refuse to do their jobs.

Originally posted by Surtur
When the rule keeps dipshits like Kim Davis employed yes they need to be changed.

But then you aren't fine with the current solution since Davis has been set free. Not only has she been set free, but her stunt has no doubt inspired OTHERS to refuse to do their jobs.

How has sitting in jail inspired others to refuse to do their jobs?

Originally posted by psmith81992
How has sitting in jail inspired others to refuse to do their jobs?

If you have to ask this then I'm afraid there isn't a single answer I could give to satisfy you.

EDIT: Though you realize, and this shouldn't even have to be pointed out since it should of been obvious, but I will anyways, that I was talking about people specifically in her same line of work refusing to give out licenses. If you can't see how this would inspire others to do similar things then I'm afraid there is nothing I can say.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
So Baptists are not Christians? Because Kim Davis was a Baptist for at least 27 years before "converting" to Apostolic Christianity and becoming Pentecostal four years ago. Just check the records of the Rowan County Clerk.

Biblically speaking, no -- many if not most Baptists are NOT Christian.

Without actually endorsing everything this man asserts, I recommend you click and read the following article to learn SOME of the reasons this is so.
http://www.wordsoftruth.net/wotvol10/wotbulletin12202009.html

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
So Baptists are not Christians? Because Kim Davis was a Baptist for at least 27 years before "converting" to Apostolic Christianity and becoming Pentecostal four years ago. Just check the records of the Rowan County Clerk.

A 'No True Scotsman'

The problem, among many others, though, is that the Bible actually outlines what Christians are supposed to do and even what qualifies one to be a Christian.

On a basic level, even Surtur, along with many of the rest of you, recognize you are creating straw men. You talk of Kim Davis being hypocritical for not condoning gay unions, for instance. But Kim Davis is no longer (to MY knowledge) engaging in sex outside of marriage, as she did BEFORE her 2011 conversion. Nor does she condone what she once did.

We're such the case, you might have a point.

As such is NOT the case, you don't.

bluewaterrider is right. You can only objectively prove that Kim Davis is a hypocrite if you provide evidence that she condones her former actions.

I mean, she's still a cvnt who is paying the price for her stupidity, but she's not a hypocrite.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Biblically speaking, no -- many if not most Baptists are NOT Christian.

Without actually endorsing everything this man asserts, I recommend you click and read the following article to learn SOME of the reasons this is so.
http://www.wordsoftruth.net/wotvol10/wotbulletin12202009.html

That will be news to the approximately 50,000,000 Americans who are Baptists, which is the second largest Christian denomination in the United States after Catholics.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
The problem, among many others, though, is that the Bible actually outlines what Christians are supposed to do and even what qualifies one to be a Christian.

On a basic level, even Surtur, along with many of the rest of you, recognize you are creating straw men. You talk of Kim Davis being hypocritical for not condoning gay unions, for instance. But Kim Davis is no longer (to MY knowledge) engaging in sex outside of marriage, as she did BEFORE her 2011 conversion. Nor does she condone what she once did.

We're such the case, you might have a point.

As such is NOT the case, you don't.

Actually, Stoic made a fine point for why she is hypocritical. You don't have to agree of course, but you aren't the authority on hypocrisy in general.

If you care to debate the inner workings of hypocrisy you can surely create a topic to do that I'm sure some will oblige. Personally, it's not a huge deal to me what you choose to label this woman as.

Originally posted by NemeBro
bluewaterrider is right. You can only objectively prove that Kim Davis is a hypocrite if you provide evidence that she condones her former actions.

I mean, she's still a cvnt who is paying the price for her stupidity, but she's not a hypocrite.

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Originally posted by bluewaterrider
The problem, among many others, though, is that the Bible actually outlines what Christians are supposed to do and even what qualifies one to be a Christian.

On a basic level, even Surtur, along with many of the rest of you, recognize you are creating straw men. You talk of Kim Davis being hypocritical for not condoning gay unions, for instance. But Kim Davis is no longer (to MY knowledge) engaging in sex outside of marriage, as she did BEFORE her 2011 conversion. Nor does she condone what she once did.

We're such the case, you might have a point.

As such is NOT the case, you don't.

Wrong. Davis is an Apostolic Christian. They believe that a divorced woman must reconcile with her first husband or remain celibate for life. Otherwise, she is committing adultery, even if she marries another man. She is unrepentant and living in sin according to her own beliefs right now.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Wrong. Davis is an Apostolic Christian. They believe that a divorced woman must reconcile with her [b]first husband or remain celibate for life. Otherwise, she is committing adultery, even if she marries another man. She is unrepentant and living in sin according to her own beliefs right now. [/B]

You must be wrong because that would make her a hypocrite.

Originally posted by NemeBro
bluewaterrider is right. You can only objectively prove that Kim Davis is a hypocrite if you provide evidence that she condones her former actions.

I mean, she's still a cvnt who is paying the price for her stupidity, but she's not a hypocrite.

You must have missed this:

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Unless or until she divorces her current husband, and either remarries her first husband or chooses to remain celibate for life, then she is committing adultery.

She de facto condones her former actions, because according to her own beliefs, she is committing adultery right now.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
That will be news to the approximately 50,000,000 Americans who are Baptists, which is the second largest Christian denomination in the United States after Catholics.

Would that you were correct, but the chance of this ever being SEEN by even 1 percent of the fifty million people you mentioned is probably slimmer than the chance of you winning the lottery this weekend.

Admit that you're straw manning and be done with it -- even many of the Baptists you're "championing" for this thread would balk at you trying to use the Catholic Church as an example of a Bible-practicing organization.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Biblically speaking, no -- many if not most Baptists are NOT Christian.[/url]

Wow... I usually agree with pretty much everything you say religion-related but saying Baptists aren't Christians is probably the stupidest statement I've ever read in GDF. It's also extremely insulting to people (like me) who have the same beliefs as people who are Baptists. It's even more stupid than when you claimed Catholics aren't Christians either. I guess it's a good thing that nobody needs your approval of what a Christian is, eh Blue? 👆

Did you appoint yourself the official judge of who is and isn't Christian? Maybe you should take a good look at yourself and judge whether you really are because it seems to me you aren't when you go around telling people they aren't Christian because you don't like their religious denomination. 👆

Oh, and your "source" in the link is obviously biased just like you are.

Originally posted by Surtur
When the rule keeps dipshits like Kim Davis employed yes they need to be changed.

But then you aren't fine with the current solution since Davis has been set free. Not only has she been set free, but her stunt has no doubt inspired OTHERS to refuse to do their jobs.

Originally posted by Star428
Wow... I usually agree with pretty much everything you say religion-related but saying Baptists aren't Christians is probably the stupidest statement I've ever read in GDF. It's also extremely insulting to people (like me) who have the same beliefs as people who are Baptists. It's even more stupid than when you claimed Catholics aren't Christians either. I guess it's a good thing that nobody needs your approval of what a Christian is, eh Blue? 👆

Did you appoint yourself the official judge of who is and isn't Christian? Maybe you should take a good look at yourself and judge whether you really are because it seems to me you aren't when you go around telling people they aren't Christian because you don't like their religious denomination. 👆

Oh, and your "source" in the link is obviously biased just like you are.

In no particular order, mainly because the computer I am at is unable to highlight sections for ordered copy, quote, and paste:

-- You should agree with me once you've researched my statements and found them true, not out of habit, not because you like me, and not because it parallels your own thinking.

-- How stupid a statement sounds has little to do with how true it is. It was thought ludicrous for centuries that the sun, that tiny little ball of flame, was something, in actuality, several times LARGER than the entire Earth, and that the Earth went around IT, not the reverse.
Stupid, but true.

Kindly read the article I linked you to and tell me exactly WHAT is "stupid" about what the author asserts. Right now I have no reason not to simply dismiss the claim as an emotional knee-jerk reaction on your part. Tell me what you specifically and logically disagree with.

-- Regarding your feeling insulted

(1) You've given a sufficient number of insults to me before now throughout various threads that this is of little concern to me. Why did YOU not care before now of insulting me?

(2) The truth is GOING to be an insult to some, if not many. The Bible itself suggests this in various ways and in various places.

Have you never read the following?

What exactly do or did you think of when reading such?

Matthew 10:34-36 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36 And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.

or

Matthew 7:21-23King James Version (KJV)

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.- Acts 2:38

Whoever believes AND IS BAPTIZED will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.- Mark 16:16

I guess John the baptist (a martyr of Christ who lost his head) wasn't a Christian either according to you, huh? LOL. Despite the fact that he was a true follower of Him. Do you not think someone who dies for the Word of Christ is a Christian? Seriously?

I'm not going to reply or read anymore of your posts on this matter because you're insulting millions of people who have baptist beliefs (including me). Not going to get into a heated argument and get banned over a moron who makes my blood boil by making the ridiculously stupid claim that Baptists aren't true Christians.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Catholic Church as an example of a Bible-practicing organization.

Organizations aren't human though. There could easily be more "real christians" that consider themselves catholics than is other organization based on sheer numbers and statistics.

Personally I am under the impression that you are arguing more about speech than about actual experience.

Originally posted by Star428
[b]I'm not going to reply or read anymore of your posts on this matter because you're insulting millions of people who have baptist beliefs (including me). Not going to get into a heated argument and get banned over a moron who makes my blood boil by making the ridiculously stupid claim that Baptists aren't true Christians.

Would you say catholics are christians? You can probably tell why I ask this kind of question.