Iran speaks out

So the only defense here was "The Supreme Leader does not have have final executive say in Iran."

then

"Oh wait, he does."

No, that wasn't it in the Iran deal thread. You've just forgotten again.

Well, this brings up an interesting discussion that was absent the first time around because it was poo poo'd.

Originally posted by Robtard
No, that wasn't it in the Iran deal thread. You've just forgotten again.

Was this related to the Iran deal thread? Your conceded your first argument to yourself.

Correcting yourself when you realize an error is the proper thing to do. It's being intellectually honest.

Originally posted by Robtard
Couple things:

- "Supreme Leader" is a title. Iran has a President. He's very influential though and does dictate policies. But in the end he could say "nay, they're Satan" while the President makes the deal and it's all good to save face.

- That could refer to Israel dissolving. He's said in the past he wants the Israel government gone and an Islamic one set in place. Not "we will nuke them to death!"

edit: But yeah, his mouthing off isn't good in terms of the deal.

First claim

Originally posted by Robtard
Actually, it does seem like the Ayatollah does have final say in all executive decisions.

So not sure how this deal's going through if he's so against it.

Corrected

I am fine with your correction, so you now agree he is a Maniac and has actual power more then just "empty words."

Just giving it back to you when I posted about Obama's deportation numbers, you seemed to want to shove it in my face. Even when I never made no such claim saying he deported less then anyone.

The question was never about whether or not the Ayatollah was a maniac. Even the biggest leftists can agree to that. I think they either underestimated his influence or worse, didn't take it seriously on any level.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
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Why should he? Who can stop it? [/B]

Because even the people in this country who are 100% for this deal will only take so much before they say "enough".

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
First claim

Corrected

I am fine with your correction, so you now agree he is a Maniac and has actual power more then just "empty words."

Just giving it back to you when I posted about Obama's deportation numbers, you seemed to want to shove it in my face. Even when I never made no such claim saying he deported less then anyone.

In my first post I noted: "He's very influential though and does dictate policies". I fail to see how I implied some sort of "empty words" approach. I then went on to note that even my previous comment was underselling his position.

LoL, what now?

Originally posted by psmith81992
The question was never about whether or not the Ayatollah was a maniac. Even the biggest leftists can agree to that. I think they either underestimated his influence or worse, didn't take it seriously on any level.

In a way he suffered from "Trumpism". People didn't really take Trump seriously until..well, now even if Trump doesn't become President we've given him too much of a taste for politics for him to back out.

I think people dismissed the supreme leader because he did seem crazy.

Oh, I don't think he's literally insane. Sure he's a nut full of religious zeal, but he's not going to build a nuke and do the durrka durrka Jihad on Israel as some people think.

He loves his country and I'm sure he loves the power he has. He's not losing that just to give someone else a black eye.

Originally posted by Surtur
In a way he suffered from "Trumpism". People didn't really take Trump seriously until..well, now even if Trump doesn't become President we've given him too much of a taste for politics for him to back out.

I think people dismissed the supreme leader because he did seem crazy.

The left have a problem of underestimating the wrong people (Trump, Ayatollah), etc. I pray this Iran deal doesn't come back to bite them in the ass, because that will be a nightmare for that side of the political spectrum.

Originally posted by Robtard
Oh, I don't think he's literally insane. Sure he's a nut full of religious zeal, but he's not going to build a nuke and do the durrka durrka Jihad on Israel as some people think.

He loves his country and I'm sure he loves the power he has. He's not losing that just to give someone else a black eye.

So you think he doesn't really want to get rid of Israel as much as he claims?

Originally posted by Surtur
So you think he doesn't really want to get rid of Israel as much as he claims?

No, that I fully believe. Iran would love to have the Israeli government replaced with a Shi'a theocracy that's loyal to Iran, as it'd help consolidate Iran's power in the ME.

Too bad Israel would die before that happens, hence why Iran wants nukes.

Nuking Israel isn't the way to get a Shi'a government in Iran.

Iran nuking Israel means Israel (who is more powerful, even without US support) gets to nuke back again and again. See?

There is absolutely no reason why America should not be siding with Israel here. Iran is the problem Iran will always be the problem and giving them Nukes is just adding to the problem.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
There is absolutely no reason why America should not be siding with Israel here. Iran is the problem Iran will always be the problem and giving them Nukes is just adding to the problem.

What you just said makes no sense. If Iran is always the problem, then why is there no reason for the US to side with Israel?

LOL. I think you misread his statement.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
There is absolutely no reason why America should not be siding with Israel here. Iran is the problem Iran will always be the problem and giving them Nukes is just adding to the problem.

America isn't siding against Israel, if that makes you feel better. I also don't feel like Israel should dictate the US' foreign policies and relations.

The deal is so Iran doesn't get to build nukes. Now you can argue that Iran will break the deal etc., that's fine. But to state "give Iran nukes" is false.